http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4561695 Had this been Israelis and Palestinians, you can bet that verybdog, Sardinia, and the rest of their ilk would be parading over this forum denouncing the lastest oppression by those nasty Israelis.
Aren't you silly comparing this little domestic conflict/riot with the internaionally significant conflict between Israel and Palestine?
Re: Re: Syrians Kill Kurds. Guess who sits by and says nothing? The conflict is only internationally significant because it gets more press coverage. Please explain why the struggle of 2 million Kurds to be recognized as citizens of their own country is unimportant compared to the Palestinian uprising.
JPhurst, there's a riot in Boston after the Patriots football team won the superbowl too. I am not saying people getting killed is a good thing, but that little incident in the story of your link simply can't be raised to the same level of politcal significance of that of the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Sorry.
Re: Re: Re: Syrians Kill Kurds. Guess who sits by and says nothing? I'm not saying it's not important to be recognized as citizens of a country. It is important for these Kurds to be treated equally in their own society. But that's a domestic civil right issue as comparing to the one of what we are having as the international conflict of Israel-Palestine.
Re: Re: Re: Syrians Kill Kurds. Guess who sits by and says nothing? Insanity has been defined as repeating the same behavior over and over again and expecting different results. That thought came to mind as I noticed that you were trying yet again to activate one of verybdog's brain cells.
You've got it in a wrong order. They are getting more press coverage because it's of internaional significance. Not the other way around. Some Kurds got killed because of an accident. Some Palestinians got killed because Israelis wanted to kill them. That's a big difference there.
The killing of kurds on Saturday was no accident. Infact, the Syrian Army/Police fired live rounds. Killing about 30 people in one day. Yet, you probably have the conclusion that when Saddam 'used' lethal chemical weapons on the kurds, than it was 'simple truck accident' that resulted in 5-6-10,000 dead, right? Israel only kills the wanted. The people who harm both palestinains and israelis at whole. They don't really care about there lives or there mission. They care being martyrs. Israel does not intend to go into the territories and kill 100 or 30 palestinains. It goes after the ones who pose a threat, and as u may have notice....the territories are a very densed area. Sometimes, innocent civilians are caught in the line of fire! Perhaps Israel killed them by accident, perhaps palestinains killed them by accident..but the innocent lost in the crossfire are investigated. And unlike the palesitnians who are always joyful for death and vengence...israel simply regrets ANY loss of life....
This simplifies the kurds struggle for independent state of there own. If you think of it, the Kurdish solution would be more devastating than the Palestinain one, since Kurds will eventually make there new nation (kurdistan) a part from turkey, syria, iraq and iran. I don't think any of these nations will budge to give some pieace of land to them. The reason why Kurdish struggle gets un noticed in the media is simply because Kurds are living in an autorcratic state(s) and its hard to understand there views and ideas. Israel on the other hand gets mentionedi n the news media pretty much everyday, eventhough its a small country, with a huge attention! As Israelis, we rather want people to see Israel for what it has (A strong and ethusiastic High Tech Ecnonmy, inventions, travel, etc...) than to be accused and blamed for "MASSACIRING" palestinians, in which the toll (as even mentoned by the palestinain red cross) is at 2800... No one ever mentioned the death of nearly 15 Million Arabs in the spam of 60 years since the rise of Pan-Arab Nationalism...how odd?
Re: Re: Re: Syrians Kill Kurds. Guess who sits by and says nothing? Because there's about 500 different factions within those 2 million Kurds who tend not to feel like one happy family. And on a political level... a Kurdish state is not what the west needs. It will bring lots of trouble (again) to the M.E. region. So we prefer to shut up about it.
Yup. Taking a tank into a refugee camp and firing straight into dense crowds is the Israeli way to say 'we care about innocent life' You poor misguided soul.
Nobody cares when Assad murders 10,000 people (in Hama) but if 1 innocent is killed by Israel in war it's a major "world issue." The fact remains that Israel is held to a completely different standard than all its neighbors.
Welcome to the initiatives for the kurds. I think it would be better to start where the problem is worst and of bigger dimension. ie Turkey Let's force Turkey (and of course Syria) to recognize kurds rights. I hope that this interest in kurds rights in Syria isn't just because Syria is involved. I think that the option "menacing Turkey of a war if not..." is exaggerated btw.
They deserve it for killing Christ and not eating bacon. But seriously...you're partly right, but it's also true that there's a different standard for intranational and international killing.
So I guess that whole brouhaha over Apartheid South Africa was blown WAY out of context, since it really was just a "civil" affair within the nation.
Thanks for proving my point. How many decades did apartheid go on??? If it had been international, would it have gone on so long? Would it have taken so long for the civilized world to impose sanctions on SA?
It should be held to a higher standard giving the fact that it's a regional superpower. Unfortunately, Israel under the rightwing government continues to display behaviors of gross irresponsibility of disregarding international law and world opinion.
Yes. Abolishing Apartheid was an international cause celebre, as as it should have been, because it was such an abhorrent system, not because of the "local" or "international" nature of the conflict. It stayed as long as it did because international powers didn't care about what was right, but because they benefitted from a pro-Western government wealthy in natural resources and willing to engage in business with those powers. The effects that Apartheid South Africa had outside of its nation were PRECISELY the reason it was tolerated by world leaders for so long. The reason it finally fell was because of continued and sustained political pressure. Perhaps because it is more concerned with protecting its citizens from problems such as this... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/404544.html ...than in receiving the approval of verybdog.
Remember what I said in the previous thread "NPR and BBC use of language" discussing the event of Israelis' killing in Gaza weeks ago? Believe me, that's exactly what I was talking about - violence begets violence. This surely looks like a blowback to Israelis previous action of killing in Gaza. If Israelis government is so concerned about protecting its citizens, it wouldn't adopt a foolish policy of driving tanks into Palestinians' territory and kill.
What world opinion? The world opinion that doesn't want israel to exist? That doesn't want israel to defend itself? heck! Im thinking right now that every European nation is sympathiziing the pains and horrors that Spain went through this week. I don't think one would have the nerves at this time to say "Spain Deserved it" or "Spain doesn't have any right to defend themselves". Israel is being bashed and demented by the world opinion. A strong vocal left-liberal and extreme islamic fundemantal opinion go hand in hand to accuse israel of small things that they call "GENOCIDE", "APARTIED", "MASS MURDER" Israel is only blamed in the world media because israel is democratic. When Syria killed 30-40 people on Friday people were saying 'Poor Syria, those nice fella's didn't know any better' while when israel probably killed 3 terrorist who planned two use mortar shells and place land mines, than we are "Condemend to the fullest" Double Standards at its best....
And when we don't, the militans get more progressive and equipped to do other violent means such as what we saw in Ashdod right just now. 10 people killed in the port of Ashdod by 2 suicide bombers... detail @ www.cnn.com
Yeah, you acted as an apologists for racist terrorists by saying "they're only reacting." To someone who can make the idiotic claim that every suicide bombing is a "reaction," I'm sure that's what it looks like. Never mind that this sort of terror existed well before there was an occupation. Yes, you would prefer that the Israelis just roll over and die rather than act to confront the enemy (of course, you also think there's no war going on). Then you have the gall to say that you represent "world opinion."