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this review is a little bit better.. stories in croatia about vuckcevic today in media about why croatian federation never asked him to play even when joe simunic is his teamate and he was born in croatia..

 

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German U20 won against Italy, Terrazino of all players scored.

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=504295&spielid=79&action=schema&teama=Italien&teamb=Deutschland

German U19 tied with the Czech, Merkel scored for Germany. Does he want
to stick with Germany now or the whole citizenship issue not resolved yet?

http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=5042...teama=Deutschland&teamb=Tschechische Republik

 

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Funny the U20 ended up with 9 men. Playing for 55 minutes with 10 men.

 

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German youth international Fabian Hürzeler is going to play for the U.S.
http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=7102

As far as I know he only was born in the USA and immediately went back to Germany. Both parents are german. So whats the point to play for the US-Team? Strange

 

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Perhaps he knows he will never be able to make the German line-up. Lack of self confidence? i don't know.

 

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Hürzeler plays at AM, a very competitive position in the DFB among all age groups. At his age, Sonny Kittel is by far the most talented AM, not to mention Levent Aycicek and Emre Can from the 1994 age group.

In the U18, Horn, da Costa, Sonny Kittel, Pusch, Niclas Fullkrug and Shawn Parker are outstanding talents but other than those........it shouldn't make too much difference.

 

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From the thread at yanks abroad:

 

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Shawn Parker, is also another German/American dual national.

Hope he'll stay with the DFB.

 

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Bestätigung des DFB bezüglich Hürzeler
http://www.fussballtalente.net/inde...rbandswechsel&catid=3:kurzmeldungen&Itemid=18

 

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Apart from the nationality, the case is completely different. Parker belongs to the "crown jewels" so to the speak AND he plays on a position where Germany doesn't have lots of potential top players. He also completely identifies himself with the country.

 

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"Crown Jewels" ..........i think even Horst Hrubesch implied that Parker is the "new Kalle Riedle"

I think even Parker himself realizes DFB's desperate need of quality striker. But imo, Patrick Weihrauch and Marvin Ducksch are by far the best talents up front, then u've Niclas Fullkrug from the 1993 age group and Samed Yesil(slightly undersized) from Leverkusen. Timo Werner from Stuttgart is also rated very highly already.

The DFB need to keep Shawn Parker, can't give a sh!t about Huerzeler in contrast. Just because Parker plays at striker, it makes a lot of differences.

 

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(no idea if that is true but he's a good poster)

 

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I really hate this vulnerability.

The DFB have to be worried about their players being lured by the Turkish/Americans/Aficans/Russians. And feels like it happens every single day

Merkel, Holtby, Mlapa, Gundogan, Ekici, Emre Can, Hurzeler and now Shawn Parker. There are rumours out of nowhere, and these happen within a month or so.

And if u look at the DFB U17 roster, u'll realzie the situation isn't getting any better in the near future.

Of course i notice there are many players with Turkish origin throughout the nation, but is there a better way to prevent this from happening??
I thought the approach of relying heavily on players with dual-nationalities was mainly for the transition period when Germany ran out of young talents back in 1998-2006

The DFB have put in a lot of time, effort and money on these young players' development. The Turks or whoever they are just lured them away.......without saying "danke". The feeling is kinda like our belongings are being robbed.

Dunno how to describe but i hate this vulnerability.......and i hope the DFB or FIFA can do something about it. I really hope there is a more of a clear-cut difference between club football and national football. For instance, i still dun understand why the FIFA are encouraging this by letting players switch nationalities AFTER the age of 21 and BEFORE they play an official game for a nation (They were more strict before)

On the other hand, are the "native" Germans that bad now? I kinda hope they can develop and play better than talents with dual nationalities. Not trying to be racist or anything, but i am so tired of this sh!t

 

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I think immigrants bring/brought a new dimension (their style of play) into the youth teams. And maybe they simple invest more of their time into football.

 

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"their style of play"?
How can they have one if they are born and raised in germany or do you get that with the genes?
They are taught football by the same people and play with the same players as all the other kids so from where should this style come?
I seriously don't buy into that theory and for every Khedira, Özil or Marin there is also a Schweinsteiger, Götze or Kroos (Götze is the child of a university professor...).
For me this is just stereotypes thrown around and has hardly anything to do with the reality.
It is however true that football is a sport which is attractive to people that have a difficult social background which is more often the case for immigrants.
On the other side as far as I know noone of our current players with immigration background has been in a very socialy problematic situation (maybe the Boateng brother to some extent).
I'd even go so far and say that you need a stable environment as youth player to make it to professional football (german clubs put a huge emphasis on this) and the youth academies also negate the social factor to some extent.
That's why we see more and more players with such a background because they are finally "integrated" in the society and have the same chances as other players.
Overall this "new style of play" is simply a development you see in all players and not only with immigrants.
It's just that they are now properly represented in the NT (every 3rd child in germany has an immigration background and this ratio will further increase) while this was simply not the case in the past.

 

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Shawn Parker to switch?

Can anyone translate this for me?

 

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Long story short, it says that attemps from the US Federation have been made to to snap Shawn Parker, but that these attempts have been unsuccesful so far and that Horst Hrubesch continues to plan with him in the future.

 

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Again, i hate this vulnerability.........

Got a feeling that any of the DFB's talents will go after another nation very soon. It doesnt really give u a very secure feeling, does it?

 

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The players aren't there to give you a "secure feeling".

I can't understand the fear or even panic that is shown here. So far we never lost one of the really big talents (Ekici might be the biggest one in the last few years) and even if we do its not like we are dependant on one or two talents who might or might not become great players.

 

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The best player of the Bundesliga opted no not play for Germany and we're doing just fine, don't we?

It just irks me a bit that others are getting better because of Germany's good development work, not so much that we lose them.

Maybe you should ask Özil?
"My technique and feeling for the ball is the Turkish side to my game."

 

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Are we honestly discussing that such attributes are part of the genes of certain nationalities?
I mean I won't deny that there is cultural influence which will make a certain style more likely and that's imo what Özil is referring to (he also talks about the german work ethic etc.) but some people simply draw wrong conclusions from this.
It doesn't mean our football has now more technique because we have players with an immigrantion background in our team, we have those players because we simply put more emphasis on developing these kinds of players.
This "new dimension to our game" is just as much represented by Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Götze, Hummels, Kroos etc. as by all other players.
I mean look at Holtby, he is german and english and one of the players with the best technique in our team and not a new Ramelow just because he doesn't have a turkish, spanish or any "exotic" background which is usually anticipated with "technique".
On the other side you have someone like Khedira who is more "german" in his style of play than Kroos will ever be.
It's simply stupid stereotypes.

 

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Oh I agree with you.
And I also think that Özil quote is bloody stupid.

Maybe Smithfan should as Götze if his technique and feeling for the ball is Özil's Turkish site as well...

Btw Kirsten, did you know that Kittel can play for Poland too?

 

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Don`t worry. A Polish scout (i.e. a Polish-born immigrant who is on social benefits in Germany and spends his spare time persuading kids with a Polish background to play for Poland) tried to get him into the Polish setup a couple of years ago when Kittel was still in a regional selection. He talked to Kittel`s parents and they were okay with it but asked the Polish FA to pay the costs for him getting a Polish passport. The Polish FA declined to cover the expenses (around 100€) and so he decided against playing for Poland. The Polish FA argued that he was not patriotic enough if he doesn`t pay for his passport himself. I like that story and I think it will come to haunt the Polish FA soon...