You! Yeah You! Non-FCD Fan! Your Attendance Questions Answered! (aka ongoing attendance thread)

I prefer to use a nice sturdy stick over my bare fists.

 

Exactly.....the Location/Distance issue cancels itself out no matter where the stadium is. So...I guess you can say it's a factor...a factor that is:

A) Not really that significant
B) Impossible to eliminate


Which is good enough reason to generally ignore it.

 

You're such a classicist. I was rolling more new school rage.

Maybe if we quote the images back and forth enough these two will realize they've reached an impasse that's just getting uglier with every reply?

 

For the record, I liked yours better. You are right, the rage expressed by Michael Bolton is something we can all realte to.

I won't give up until he cries.

 

Didn't mean to come off as explaining your religion, although I see how that could be interpreted that way. My point was that many other reasons equal to religion force people not to go. But you are coming off as saying that is the only excuse that is worthy. Money is just as important to other people.

The fact is you have no data to support your claim. You can say people are willing to travel as much as you want, but let us see some facts and figures on that, and combine it with the level of interest of the team you are observing. I'm eagerly awaiting your response.

 

Maybe we should go with this one instead?

And yes, I'm enjoying being a PITA.

 

I come off as what, now? You were the one that brought up my religion....not me. I never made that a point until you tried to make a comparison. See....right here....this is where you admit you were wrong and apologize.

Again, it's just common sense. Do you need me to present "data" to support my position that people like to eat pizza? No..you just accept it as fact because you know it's true. We know that people travel far and wide for major sporting events. We know that thousands of people travel from all over the Metroplex every other week for Cowboy games, and pay a lot of money in both tickets and parking to do so. Heck, we even see examples of it at Pizza Hut Park ITSELF!! Concerts, national team games, Mexican club friendlies, Inter Milan. Somehow distance and location didn't stop people then. The crazy thing is you are actually denying this commonly understood principle. Trying desperately to hold on to the last vestiges of your point.

But that's your perogative, I suppose. You are free to continue to hold on to this idea for as long as you want. At this point, I truly don't care anymore. The truth is obvious, I can't help it if you can't see it.

 

Which is more idiotic? Arguing on the interwebs or commenting on people arguing on the interwebs?

 

Without question arguing is more idiotic. But what can I say, I enjoy it. Some people enjoy watching reality shows, which is waaaay more idiotic than anything going on in this thread. Ces La Vie.

 

No, again you miss the point entirely. If 1% of the Cpwboys stadium travels any significant distance from the stadium, I would not be convinced of your point at all. All that tells me is that ONLY 1% are willing to travel. Yet you are convinced that because x% do travel, that means EVERYONE must be willing to travel.

The fact is that you are saying a significant amount of people like anchovy pizza. When you have no data to back that up. I can do that too. It is a well known fact that most people over the age of 30 like midget porn. See? I can make up facts too! There most certainly is a certain percentage that likes midget porn. But I have no data to prove that it is a SIGNIFICANT amount. You have no data to prove that a significant amount of people travel over L distance to go to a Cowboys game.

It's just bad science, admit it.

 

So you are basing your response on the assumption that most of the Cowboy fanbase is within 20 minutes of Arlington. Okay...fine....that's fine....it's idiotic and goes against all rational thought...but you are free to believe that if it makes you happy.

120,000 go to a field in Denton, surrounded by nothing but a logistics center and warehouses, twice a year, to watch cars turn left for 3 hours. Every single one of them is travelling a significant distance to attend. Oh wait....there's 5 guys who live in trailers in unincorporated Denton County that also go...darn it....my point is ruined again!!!!


Ohh...ohhh....I got another one.....every year 100s of thousands go to a desert in California for a 3 day music and arts festival called Coachella. Every single one of them is travelling a significant distance to be there. OH wait....there were two desert dwellers that stumbled upon the proceedings back in 2005.....DARN IT!! I just can't win!!!

 

You're just hiding bad science with what I am sure you think is hilarious wit. None of those scenarios compare. Hell, Cowboys is a closer scenario than that.

The funny thing is there are plenty who agree. But I guess those people don't matter since you will just marginalize them anyhow.

More anecdotal evidence: just took a poll and 15 people would have STs if the stadium were closer. 15>4. Kevin asks 5 of them on a regular basis if they want STs. Ask him why they turn him down every time. Location.

 

I guess I should be thankful we still have FCD so this tired argument can continue into eternity.

Thank you Frisco!

 

In my situation I live in southwest Fort Worth and I only went to two games this season simply because the cost of getting to and from the stadium combined with the cost of a ticket and whatnot was just too much for my meek financial situation. So it is a combo of location and finances.

Although in previous seasons I went to about 7 or 8 games when I had less bills and more friends who were interested in going to games. I have never had season tickets though because I've always thought going to that many games a season is overkill.

 

Life is like that some times, and that is understandable.

I believe that your attitude might be different if money was not an issue for you and it was located where you perceived it as being close enough.

Maybe not - though I have a hard time understanding how you can be a poster on bigsoccer and not have a desire to go to see your team live whenever possible. Overkill? really? Whatever.

 

Well to me there isn't much difference between seeing FCD live or on tv. I mean lets face it the atmosphere isn't great at games. Me being there wouldn't improve it simply because I'm not a vocal fan. Plus since they play during the summer there are things that come up that I would just prefer to do with my Saturday nights. Like vacations or the Rangers or whatever. That being said who knows how I would feel if the stadium were right next to me.

 

Like I said - whatever and to each his own.

P.S. Just as an FYI the season runs March - October with only 5 home games in the summer

 

I declare Midcity the winner. The grand prize is, for a minimum cost of $75 million, he can purchase the team and build a new soccer-specific stadium anywhere he wants in Tarrant or Dallas County for FCD to play in starting the 2012 season.

FCD won't be moving soon, or even the somewhat distant future. It is where it is and all this energy that has been wasted on the poor location of the team in Frisco could've been used to come up with ideas to get Midcity's 15-20 FCD-friends-who-won't-drive-to-Frisco-to-watch-them-play to go to more games.

 

It just gets old when people bash other's opinions and ideas. I would love to not think that way, because that would mean the stadium had the possibility of having a sellout season in the near future.

I have talked to Kris Katseanas about getting them out already. Apparently, he didn't like any of my ideas. Well, he must have half liked the bus one, because supposedly they are sending one to Denton now. Far cry from Fort Worth or Arlington, but hey at least they half listened.

 

Don't get me wrong, Denton should definitely be included, but it would be nice to have a bus out here as well.

 

Since I have access to unlimited demographic reports at work, I thought it would be interesting to see some numbers around PHP.

I consider 15 miles and less to be close enough(in the DFW metroplex) where location is not really an issue.

A 15 mile radius of PHP has roughly 1.3 million people with an average HH income of over $100k...there projects to be over 1.5 million people in a 15 mile radius by 2015.

A 15 mile radius around Arlington has 1.7 million people. Obviously more, but I can't see how a stadium in Grand Prairie or somewhere along 30 would get any larger attendance simply because of the location.

A 15 mile radius around Qwest Field in Seattle has roughly 1.6 million people and yet they triple our attendance and probably have ten times as many actual fans that follow the team as FCD does.


Had FCD/Burn been managed competently then or now, the team would be doing just fine at the gate. I can easily buy that location is one of the reasons the demographics at FCD games have been more of a family environment than what you'd see at the AAC or Cotton Bowl, but I can never be convinced that location is any relevant reason the stadium gets less than 10k on Saturday nights when there's 1.3 million people within 15 miles of that place.

 

So in conclusion, people in Collin County don't like soccer.