Saint Louis University 2010-2011

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  1. kami

    kami Member

    Nov 27, 2001
    Saint Louis
    Club:
    Arsenal FC


    +1.
     
  2. billyken

    billyken New Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    Loaded with talent? You are officially dumb.
     
  3. billyken

    billyken New Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    Ewwww....you are so threatening.
     
  4. SLUzer

    SLUzer Member

    Aug 22, 2010
    This is seriously the worst thread on BIGSOCCER.com. It is a sad day when the East Tennessee State University thread is a more interesting read.
     
  5. Goal420

    Goal420 Member

    Jan 9, 2008
    Tim Ream probably will be MLS rookie of the year...Good press for the school and program. He has a bright future.

    Not sure why everyone is in an uproar over their results. It was pretty evident this year would be transitional. I think everyone knew it would come down to the A-10 tournament to see if they qualify for the tournament.
     
  6. kami

    kami Member

    Nov 27, 2001
    Saint Louis
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Exactly. Not sure why that is so hard for some of our die-hard fans to understand. Donigan was given multiple years; McGinty gets three months and people want his head.

    Ream: only thing he has going against him is that he's not on the offensive side of the ball like the other two finalists. People like goals pure and simple. However, maybe the fact Ream has started every single game and played every single minute will pull some votes his way.
     
  7. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Those of you criticizing McGinty, how many games do you think SLU wins last year sans Ream and Roach?
     
  8. SLUzer

    SLUzer Member

    Aug 22, 2010
    I wonder how many games SLU wins this year avec Ream and Roach. :rolleyes:
     
  9. ButlerFan

    ButlerFan New Member

    Aug 21, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    That college French class is really paying off for you there, SLUzer. :rolleyes:
     
  10. billikensoccer

    billikensoccer New Member

    Aug 23, 2009
    Well then start reading that one more, you are not needed on here.
     
  11. SLUzer

    SLUzer Member

    Aug 22, 2010
    I can navigate useless hypotheticals with the best of them.
     
  12. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Four straight wins, the last three by shutout, for the Bills.

    This year's team GAA: 0.95. Last year's team GAA: 1.39.

    I guess McGinty is listening to the advice of Tom and the other alumnae.
     
  13. SLUzer

    SLUzer Member

    Aug 22, 2010
    To make this comparison work, you would have to factor in strength of schedule.
     
  14. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Tis true 4 straight wins versus 4 horrible teams. Yay!

    The problem isn't SLU's defense. They play good team defense and have an outstanding Keeper in Pais. The problem is McGinty. The simple truth is is SLU has some really fine players being coached by an awful coach.

    SLU came into this weekends games needing 2 certain wins in order to qualify for the A-10.

    Rhode Island came into last nights match having scored a total of 9 goals all season long while giving up 29 goals. Does McGinty recognize that? Um no.

    McGinty lines SLU up in it's typical boring defensive 4-5-1 leaving Benny Estes stranded up top as the lone attacker. What? Huh? WTF? SLU has no ability to counter at all. If Benny turns at the defense it's 1 on 3 or 1 on 4. So Benny has to knock it backwards. And before anyone says it don't bother stating that Donigan only played a 4-4-2 because that is utter BS. Donigan's teams played 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-5-1 with the typical formation being 4-4-2.

    McGinty lining up in a 4-5-1 was in itself bad enough but the really horrible fact is SLU could/should have lost the game! It was just about the fugliest performance win or lose that I have ever witnessed out of a SLU team. Utter panic by SLU in the last 15 minutes of the match. All game long bad decisions, bad passing, bad first touches, balls rolling underneath their feet trying to settle, defensive give aways galore all against a really bad team at home.

    Once again SLU's coach had the exact same defensive game plan.

    No subs until the 100% consistent Adnan "The Bosnian" sub for Estes at the 70 minute mark. I say Adnan "The Bosnian" because there were dozens of shouts out to McGinty to put the Bosnian in from annoyed SLU fans.

    Questions: Why doesn't McGinty play Estes and Adnan together?

    Why does McGinty play defensive against a popgun attack knowing he needs 2 wins to ensure A-10 playoff play?

    Why does McGinty always take out Alex Johnson?

    Alex was again one of if not the best players for SLU last night. Johnson scored the winning goal and was all over the oitch making plays at both ends. Here is a quote from McGinty himself about Johnson in last nights game, "The most important thing for us tonight was to get a win," SLU head coach Mike McGinty said. "It was fitting that Alex got that goal because he was making plays all over the field. It is that time of the year in the league where every team is fighting, and we are going into Sunday's game looking for a win." Why sub Alex???

    Why doesn't McGinty make any subs at all until the 70 minute?

    Cleary the other A-10 coaches have figured out the way to take it to SLU is to sub en masse and all the teams are doing a very good job of running fresh legs at tired SLU players.

    Last night a very weak Rhode Island team almost ran SLU off their own pitch.

    I promise you that U-MASS which is a very good defensive counter attacking team will take it to SLU especially if the stubborn McGinty plays defensive and refuses to make subs while the opposition subs early and often. U-Mass has 7 ties this season.

    I'm serously considering skipping the SLU/U-MASS game and going to play in a Texas Hold'em POker Tournament. :p
     
  15. billikensoccer

    billikensoccer New Member

    Aug 23, 2009
    I wouldn't go ahead and crown the defense just yet. Briggs is shocking. Defense is extremely weak and gives away possession with no one on him consistently.

    There is nothing wrong with the formation. The 4-5-1 should become a 4-3-3 against worse teams but the problem is that we can't keep the ball at all. Why would we try to counter teams that we supposedly have tons more talent then? Why would benny turn at the defense? His strength is his height not his ability to take players on. The sooner benny realizes that he needs to lay balls off and get is ace in the box the better he will be, however slu is just not talented at that position. Benny works hard but just plays dumb.

    Yea DD teams played all those formation but never changed during the year. If we started as a 4-3-3 team or 4-4-2 we never changed based on the opponent.

    There is a reason you see Adnan going in the game that late because he hardly knows what he is doing. He is big, fast and powerful but consistently doesn't challenge balls up top and is rarely in the right position to do things. His effort is inconsistent. SLU needs to recruit a big time forward fast but it will obviously help getting roach back.

    "McGinty lining up in a 4-5-1 was in itself bad enough but the really horrible fact is SLU could/should have lost the game! It was just about the fugliest performance win or lose that I have ever witnessed out of a SLU team. Utter panic by SLU in the last 15 minutes of the match. All game long bad decisions, bad passing, bad first touches, balls rolling underneath their feet trying to settle, defensive give aways galore all against a really bad team at home." Let me guess that is mcginty's fault, wait i thought the defense was the best thing since sliced bread.

    Have you ever thought the reason that AJ gets subbed is because maybe he is tired from busting his a$$ all night?

    This whole posts just really shows how little you know about soccer.


     
  16. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Are you re-todd-Ed? Did you actually graduate? Do you comprehend what you read?

    I have forgot more soccer than you will ever know.

    There is plenty wrong with the formation. You don't play a 4-5-1 against a team that has scored a total of 9 goals all year and allowed 29. You attack that s-h-i-t especially at home. These aren't CYC grade school players. They are fully capable of changing formations and tactics on the fly. You would agree wouldn't you? All teams need to be able to counterattack. I said SLU and Benny are expected to counter teams but they can't or don't because there is no counter attacking support. So SLU and Benny is forced to knock the ball back which is what happens the vast majority of the time which then allows the defense to settle in. If SLU played with more than one attacker (how about Benny and Adnan together up top? That would be a novel idea. No?) they would or could counter or even better yet hold possession in the offensive third and actually create problems for the opposing defense or at least ask questions of them. It's not that SLU can't keep the ball either. They can. The problem is too many possessions are lost by poor long ball choices, stupid turnovers (Jake Brown and C Briggs) and fugly clearances (Jake Brown and C Briggs and J. Roeckle) eliminating any chance for midfield buildup which again is a McGinty problem.

    SLU's team defense is good. They "the team" gang tackle and win possesion quite often. The problem is good distribution from the back which has always been a SLU strength. None of the players on defense including Briggs is "shockingly bad" as you state. The primary thing Briggs and Brown and to a lesser extent Roeckle and Chad V need to do is stay poised and recognize when a clearance is necessary and when they have time to bring the ball down and find the open man. That isn't that hard is it?

    You are full of BS when you state Donigan's teams didn't change formations. They did it often when it was to their advantage or when necessary.

    AJ tired? Heh heh heh. The dude has a big motor and never seems tired to me. Even if he was tired I would move him back to Jake's position and sit Jake. Again I like Jake's potential but his passing, crossing and 1-1 defensive play has been really poor in comparison to what I know AJ can do as a wingback. Does McGinty see that? No. Why not?

    Adnan hardly knows what he is doing? Heh heh heh. Adnan has more goals per minute played and more points per minute played than any player on the team. The opposition is forced to foul him nearly every time he turns at them with the ball at his feet. Adnan draws more fouls per minute played than any player on the team. In many respects Adnan is more advanced than any of the SLU players in terms of his attacking mentality with the possible exception being Roach or Sweets. What SLU's team is lacking all season long is offensive creativity and imagination along with an attacking mentality all of which Adnan brings to the table. It's McGinty's job to recognize that and instruct the player. McGinty has failed the player, the team and the teams fans in all respects. Do the Math. If Adnan was playing 75 minutes a game instead of 20 he would have 11 or 12 or so goals by now.

    SLU's main concern going into the U'Mass game is a win. You can't win without scoring. U'Mass plays an extremely tight packed in defensive style and relies on counters.

    Hopefully SLU will win today and hopefully SLU will win the A-10. I'm not that optimistic though. To win the A-10 would be a minor miracle.
     
  17. billyken

    billyken New Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    DD did not ever change formations. AJ does get tired, everyone does, no biggie. Adnan does not have creativity or imagination - Roach and Sweetin do.

    Go play poker, maybe losing money will teach you that you don't know anything about soccer.
     
  18. Not Vago

    Not Vago Member

    Mar 19, 2008
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh, you play a formation based on the players you are putting on the field, not based on your opponent's strengths or weaknesses. Of course, you can change your lineup to try and attack weaknesses, but to decide what formation will work against a team and then try to get players to fit that formation will lead to trouble.
     
  19. zhosereh

    zhosereh New Member

    Jul 28, 2007
    remember everyone, ST knows more soccer than all combined. He knows what is best for his beloved program and if you don't agree, you are re-todd-ed. :D
     
  20. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    He has become a joke.

    Calling someone retarded is both juvenile and disgustingly insulting to those with true disabilities.

    Tom, please stop.
     
  21. billikensoccer

    billikensoccer New Member

    Aug 23, 2009
    Your right, you know more about the teams i played on then i do. Adnan and Benny cannot play with eachother because they do the exact same thing. Once they get the ball they turn and try to run at the 4 defenders and if get past one try to take on the next 3. How many times did benny lose the ball trying to dribble this weekend?

    And why do you keep talking about countering. Countering is what teams are suppose to be trying to do against us. However, we can't keep the ball for more than 3 passes at a time. This is the A-10 and we should be dominating possession, instead these games turn into chaos and eliminates are "talent" against these teams. You keep saying it yourself this team is stacked with talent, then why cannot we complete 3 consecutive passes in a row.

    The subbing of AJ is not big deal at all. All teams throughout the country sub out outside mids and forwards because they do the most sprinting. Fresh legs at those positions are critical especially games that go into overtime.

    If you didn't notice we weren't playing for a win yesterday. All we needed was a tie and that is clearly how we were playing.

    It's not that SLU can't keep the ball either. They can. The problem is too many possessions are lost by poor long ball choices, stupid turnovers (Jake Brown and C Briggs) and fugly clearances (Jake Brown and C Briggs and J. Roeckle) eliminating any chance for midfield buildup which again is a McGinty problem
    How is that not keeping the ball. How is that a Mcginty problem? Is he trying to coach briggs to pass the ball out of play trying to make a 10 yard pass with no one on him. Every pass briggs makes forward is either bouncing or hit at guys chests. Brown is clearly out of position at right back.

    My only questions with Mcginty are Briggs obviously should not be playing. Dice is a much better player. If Brown cannot keep the ball Nick M or AJ needs to be playing at outside back. Roach needs to play as soon as he is fit because we cannot keep the ball at all up top.
     
  22. luvdogs

    luvdogs New Member

    Aug 31, 2008
    yes yes yes!!!!!!!
     
  23. kami

    kami Member

    Nov 27, 2001
    Saint Louis
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Good article on yesterday's tie:

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/article_cd6d4a31-f7ea-51a9-b01d-23ec2b781213.html

    Pais's OT save was unreal. I was sitting behind the goal on the play and when the UMASS player got the ball on the back post, I thought, "Game over." And then Pais comes out of nowhere and just hurls himself at the shot and gets the stop. He had two point-blank saves in the first half as well. Fantatstic stuff by him yesterday.
     
  24. billyken

    billyken New Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    Pais is a stud
     
  25. Horse Stinger

    Horse Stinger New Member

    Oct 1, 2010
    Pais was the "Man"!!!!
    Sun in his eyes, protective mask on, and he comes up BIG!!!

    Got to give credit to the entire team for getting it done.
     

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