Saint Louis University 2010-2011

Re: Saint Louis University Billikens: The Dark Ages!

to clarify, I meant SB and MR are the best players from that class , not the best on the team

 

Somebody anybody please tell me this isn't happening. Wake me up and tell me I was just having a really bad nightmare. What? It's real you say? It's really happening? You say that SLU has a new Coach that is so horrible and so inept that he allows Saint Louis U to be completely outplayed on Friday against Duquesne in squeaking out a 1-0 win and then SLU loses on Sunday to St. Bonaventure 1-0? No way! I'm still dreaming right? I'm not dreaming you insist? This is real you say? But wasn't Dan Donigan 5-0 versus St. Bonaventure over the years? Donigan was undefeated right? Now McGinty is 0-1 against St. Bonaventure? Isn't that right? Heh. Hmmmm. And wasn't this new SLU Coach McGinty supposed to be so much better than Dan Donigan? Isn't that right? Yes you say? Oh. OK. This is progress you say? It is? Yes you say! Heh. OK. Hey everyone we are making progress! Progress such as Duquesne outshooting SLU 15-6 and dominating SLU the majority of the match and then SLU losing to St. Bonaventure 1-0 and again getting outplayed most of the match. Thank God we have a new Coach! Can I go back to sleep now?

 

I saw the SLU - Duquesne game Friday night and I would have to disagree with your account. I didn't see SLU getting "dominated" at all. Duquesne had more shots than SLU, but SLU had better possession. I thought SLU looked very good - they moved the ball very quickly and precisely.

 

What is he suppose to do with the players he has? St. Bonnies is a terrible field and very tough to play at however the loss is inexcusable.

SLU has absolutely no forwards. I know you think this team is as stacked as ever but it is not. Ok so you think Mcginty is bad, thats your opinion. However there is no way that you can say the new assistant, Santel and Johnny are worse assistant coaches than Dave Beck? I mean common this is a good staff with poor players its simple. MM is a little crazy but DD and Dave beck were just dumb and unorganized which can't be said about the new regime. I don't why people keep expecting this year to be something. The talent as SLU has gone down the last 6-8 years and there is only one person to blame for that.

 

Don't waste your time. He will never be convinced that someone actually at the game can have a better account of the events than him.

 

Rutgers has lost their past 5 games, including one to NJIT. "Somebody anybody please tell me this isn't happening. Wake me up and tell me I was just having a really bad nightmare. What? It's real you say? It's really happening? No way! I'm still dreaming right? I'm not dreaming you insist? This is real you say?" Guess who is the coach of Rutgers. DD.

You should probably turn around and get your head out of your ass. Hey, I heard DD's pants just fell down...Oh, you are probably in the same obeying position as DB right now.

 

Also, when I was at the beach with my family this summer, the people renting the house next to ours included a kid who was an incoming freshman on Rutgers soccer team this year and Donigan hasn't played him yet.

So ******** him. That kid was really nice and kicked the ball around with my children and body-surfed with my oldest kid. Clearly that means he should be able to play for Rutgers.

 

I think a lot of people are reading more into the program than what it really is. I was hoping that once the conference games started most of the appearant wrong positioning of players would go away. After the last two games I realize that the players which I and many others think should be on the field and playing certain positions is not MM's plan at all. That does not make him a bad coach. I think he is a very good coach who just happens to have a plan which may not seem appropriate for some. MM like any other coach would love to win this season but reality is that it is just not going to happen. I believe MM is looking at 2014. It's not that he does not care about the next three seasons but his main focus is four years away for starters. He has to sacrifice somewhere in order to make the most of what he hopes to have in place in 2014. That is why you see older players with more talant sitting on the bench than some of the freshmen with less talant who are starting. He is purging as much of the old DD regime as possible in order to give the freshmen with potential as much playing experiance as he can. He will continue to do so as he brings in his recruits over the next several years. It seems unfortunate for guys like Beau, Mags, Wolff and a few others but it's just the way it is. My advice to these guys is not to take it personal but try to find another team with a better fit. Welcome to College Soccer.

 

Posted: "That is why you see older players with more talant sitting on the bench than some of the freshmen with less talant who are starting."


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Replace the word "than" with "instead of"

 

I find that to be a rather odd strategy whether it is true or not. And given that SLU does not have a football team, I would think this team would garner a lot of attention from the AD and the general student body.

I would think a very good coach would be able to play the best players while still being able to develop the freshman and find them playing time. Based on the posts I have read in the past I would think that the existing players would have had little respect for the past coaches. With the arrival of a new coach, I would think these players would be happy, work hard and there would be no need to "purge the DD regime". Maybe I am niave.

 

You've got a rookie head coach, a mediocre talent pool and a team that was good but not great last year that lost its best player to graduation and its leading scorer hasn't played because of injuries.

What did you think you were actually going to get with all that?

Should a program like SLU be expected to beat St. Bonaventure? Yes.

But should it be expected to win the A-10? It rarely did it when it had a more experienced coach and better players so to expect that this year just doesn't seem realistic.

I'm sure McGinty will make plenty of mistakes his first couple of years on the job. But if he's given time and resources to succeed I suspect he'll have SLU competitive again in a season or two.

 

What he is trying to say makes a little sense but lets just be real about it. There are not any talented older players. Therefore there are some mediocre younger players that have to play instead. There thats a lot easier to say.

Trust me I don't think the student body is going to have a riot because younger guys are playing. Have you seen how many students actually come to games?

 

Lol, well at Harvard there are generally more parents and ex-players than students .

 

Is this the guy that used to criticize anyone who tried to blame everything on the coach?

 

So, your saying that he is basically taking $$ from current players to use them for new recruits? If your one of the talented then wouldn't it seem personal?

 

It is very possible and it is done all the time. MM is going to run things his way and from what I have seen thus far, he is even going out of his way to be sure everything about the old way is changed. If he does not see a need for certain players why should he keep them around and use up scholarship monies that he believes could be better spent on recruits of his own choosing? If you are one of those DD throwbacks and soccer is your passion, my advice is to not loose your confidence just because of one coach that has other plans. Try to find another coach or program that has a better fit for you. Many players sit the bench in one program then transfer to another school and end up starting or at least playing a lot more. Over 90% of all college soccer players never go on to play after graduation so you need to find a place where you can enjoy every minute while you have the chance.

 

Thanks a lot for your post. I thought it was just me. I know I'm clueless, but I was thinking about the same issue, and that this should be a coaching situation of student athletes at a Catholic University, not a hostile takeover.

 

I know that sometimes the truth is hard to swallow but remember the truth is that the University did not recruit the Sophmores - Seniors. DD recruited them. Now MM is the new boss and he has his own vision. He may or may not be able to take away the players funding but he can make it miserable for anyone who was recruited by DD and hoping to play. If any of the bench warmers want to sit for 2-3 more years while getting an education and they are ok with that then more power to them, but if they want to play and get an education they have the freedom to look elsewhere. SLU is not the only University that offers an excellant education. It does not matter to me one way or the other. This whole topic started because of the many posts I read about the frustrations due to current coaching decisions. Many fans and alum think that wrong players are on the field and in the wrong positions, but those decisions are not ours. If fans can see it, you know that several of the players are frustrated. The long and short of it is that MM is the boss. He is making the decisions on who to play where, and as a player, if you do not like it you have options.

 

And, the Billikens have another conference loss in the books. In this case, to the mighty Richmond Spiders (3-7-1).

 

The Coach cannot directly take away an athletic scholarship simply because he wants to give it to someone else.

How many healthy players with full (or substantial) scholarships are on the bench? I realize that you were talking about upperclassmen and not specifically scholarship players, but this question addresses the concerns of the others. The answer to my question, I believe, is not very many.

 

Happens everywhere. Rarely does a coach take away scholarship money that he has already given a player. But when a new coach comes that definitely can happen. DD scholarships ways were hilarious. Most players didn't know their exact scholarship till signing day and then it would be less than expected. DD would also promise money to players in the future and then never give out any regardless how you played.

9.9 scholarships does not help the situation out at all but this is how college soccer rolls.

 

"Happens everywhere," really, but should it? Here's what the slu president, Lawrence Biondi, S.J., says:

Saint Louis University President's Vision Statement

"My vision is to establish and maintain Saint Louis University as the finest Catholic university in the United States, wherein the entire University community is actively engaged in student formation. Challenged by outstanding faculty and a modern, value-centered curriculum reflecting the Jesuit tradition, students are fully prepared to contribute to society and to be effective leaders of social change based on the ethical values and principles taught in the Saint Louis University tradition."