Personally, I don't have a problem with a country using naturalized citizens on their MNT. I want to see Mexico use more of them as one method of improving ourselves at the international level. France would not have won WC'98 without them and most European countries do this. Shoot even the US is finding them. If there is a foreign-born player in the MFL who has become a naturalized citizen and is able to play for the Mexican MNT (under FIFA rules) then we should try him out on the team. I don't think we should let the Caballero or Sague experience stop this. Are we that blindly arrogant/prideful? No la chingen. I would love to see Sanchez of Toluca in a Mex uniform (if qualified). Who would you like to see?
I vote for none. Like I've asked my Mexican friends and they've agreed with me on this, Mexico would be much prouder of a team of natives than foreigners. Think about it this way: If Mexico actually did win the World Cup, think of the difference in sentimientos between if it was all mexicanos or if there were extranjeros on there.
I won't go as far as to say none, but if there's any foreigner that would like to play on the national team, I would only accept, that is to say not have a huge problem with it, it if it was clear that it was his preference to play on the Mexican team first and foremost. What I don't want is an Argie or a Brazilian figuring he's got no shot at his own national team and lobbying for a spot in Mexico's. If a guy shows up young, plays in the league for several years and decides he would like to fight for a spot on el Tri, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Things like a guy settling his family in Mexico and raising his kids there would go a long way toward showing he's serious. The tricky thing is that you never can tell when a guy is being honest or when he's trying to play the system. ricv56
No players. The only ones who want to be naturalizados and play for Mexico are Argentineans and Brazilians. No secret its because they don´t have a chance for their own teams and just wan´t to play at the WC. This is the Mexican national team not the Not good enough brazilian team. They aren´t overly superior to Mexicans so screw them. And Vicente Sanchez plays for Uruguay.
I hate to be the arrogant, prideful stick in the mud, but I also say none, UNLESS the person in question is taking Mexican citizenship seriously. That may seem like a random thing to say, but what I mean is that if there is a foreigner from any corner of the world who lives in, plays in and bleeds Mexico, then by all means, allow him to nationalize himself the same way any other person would. What I would like to avoid is having foreign soccer players gain citizenship just for the sake of soccer. Some of you may have heard this exact argument during discussed during the Cruz Azul v. Jaguares telecast. I think using the nation, and I'm proud to say my nation, just for the sake of proffesional advancement makes me a little bothered. Would I still root for him should he make a national team? Sure, I'm not that scorned, but I would like to place more than a soccer jersey around our flag. Summing up, if the guy wants to be Mexican with or without a shot for the national team, then by all means.
Caballero, Zague.......... BUT IT COULD BE WORSE. http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,451511,00.html
Gaitan will be the new naturalized player for Mexico. the people want him he is just too good to pass up.
No...the people do not want him. He is not Mexican made. The only way I would support this would be if a youngster developed in the Mexican league, raised a family here, and then naturalized because he loved the country. Gaitan has only been in the country for two years or so.
What people? I seem to recall the only person that always is pushing for his inclusion on the national team is you.
I was as proud of the Mex MNT with Caballero and Zague as I would be without naturalized Mexicans. I would have to agree with some of you that they would have to take the citizenship seriously and not use it as a ploy to bypass the MFL foreigner rules. I guess what I am saying is that there are some foreigners in the MFL that are pretty good and I wouldn't mind giving them a shot at the MNT if they were qualified (their heart is in it and able to do so under FIFA rules). When I saw Caballero in the MNT I saw a Mexican (albeit with a funny accent) and not an Argentine.
Can you give me a list of what players would possibly have a chance of being called for the national team. I would not have a problem with have one or two players playing for the senior team. If they are good enough to play then let them play. My first thought was none hell no way, i only want real mexicans(players born in mexico) on the team, but that was my machismo coming out.
Zague was born in Mexico im quite sure of that. Thing is he grew up in Brazil but returned to Mexico to play football.. Now Caballero is a bit diffrent. He had strong ties with Aguirre and the Pachuca people. Not only did he get Mexican Citizenship but his wife and kids as well. I believe his youngest son was born in Mexico. The same can be said about Antonio Naelson "Zinha" whos wife is Mexican and he also has Mexican citizenship for about two years now. Gaitan on the otherhand has decided what he wants to do and this is return to Europe. He is at the prime of his career and to him getting a second chance in the euro leagues is more important than stablishing himself as the best Mexican league player. Not too long ago Cardozo came to the same cross roads when he had an offer from Zaragoza. Cardozo decided to stay in Mexico where i dont doubt he will end up being a directivo. Maybe Gaitan still has hopes that he can make it to the albiceleste.
La historia de naturalizados en la selección ¿Naturalizados en la selección? Por : Raúl Orvañanos Fecha : 1/10/2002 http://www.radioformula.com.mx/Programas/LaFormulaEs/articulo.asp?ID2=7144 Javier Aguirre dice que ha visto jugar una sola vez al delantero Óscar Olvera, que triunfa en el futbol peruano en el equipo Concienciano del Cusco. Y para él abre una posibilidad, como también lo hace para el ex argentino Gabriel Caballero y los ex brasileños Antonio Naelson Zinha y José Damasceno Tiba , recientemente naturalizados mexicanos. Las puertas de la selección no están cerradas para nadie sostiene. Si son mexicanos tienen chance... Otros jugadores nacidos en el extranjero y naturalizados mexicanos han defendido la camiseta nacional: el primero fue el peruano Julio Lores, mediocampista y uno de los Once Hermanos del campeonísimo Necaxa Comenta Javier Aguirre que hay dos delanteros, en situación contrastante, que tienen las puertas abiertas en la selección nacional: el mexicano Oscar Olver, quien triunfa en el Cienciano del Cuzco, y el argentino naturalizado mexicano Gabriel Caballero, figura estelar del Pachuca. Singular es el caso de Olvera, quien salió del Correcaminos para ser electo como el mejor jugador de 2001 en Perú. Por la experiencia con él vivida, los directivos del equipo cuzqueño acaban de contratar a otro atacante del Correcaminos: Gerardo Fernández. Los jugadores mexicanos tienen frente a sí un espléndido escaparate: la Copa Libertadores. El caso de Caballero no sería el primero. Otros jugadores nacidos en el extranjero y naturalizados mexicanos han defendido la camiseta nacional. El primero fue el peruano Julio Lores, mediocampista y uno de los Once Hermanos del campeonísimo Necaxa; fue parte de la selección nacional que conquistó los Juegos Centroamericanos de 1935, en El Salvador. El siguiente fue Antonio López Herranz, nacido en España y contratado por el club España; también campeón centroamericano, sólo que en Panamá, 1938. Después, el medio volante Carlos Blanco, del Toluca, seleccionado para las Copas del Mundo de Suiza 1954 y Suecia 1958; jugó el partido en el que México empató a uno con Gales y ganó su primer punto en los mundiales. Siguió el delantero argentino Carlos Lara Zacatepec. Participó en las eliminatorias hacia Chile 1962, pero una lesión de última hora le impidió el viaje.
Not true. France's non-Frankish NT players were pretty much all either born in France (Zidane) or immigrated there as children (Dessailly). That's different than naturalizing foregin-born pros in your own league, like Sforza or Olisadebe. Not as much as we used to, and I think the US NT is a little better since the days of Wegerle, Clavijo, and Preki because of it.
Re: La historia de naturalizados en la selección he was chosen best foreing player not best overall player
es una lucha en contra de la "argentinización" de estrategas en el balompié nacional. Hugo Sánchez Márquez confirmó hoy varias reuniones con algunos directores técnicos mexicanos y aunque no dio a conocer los motivos, se sabe que es una lucha en contra de la "argentinización" de estrategas en el balompié nacional. El cinco veces campeón de goleo en el futbol español ha reiterado que "la Selección Mexicana es para los mexicanos", en protesta por la posición que mantiene La Volpe en el tricolor. http://www.mediotiempo.com/noticias/?id_noticia=1154
Re: es una lucha en contra de la "argentinización" de estrategas en el balompié nacio Ese Hugo Sanchez ... a primera instancia parececia que es un defensor a morir de los mexicanos, casi rayando en xenofobico. Pero es es un vil y vulgar hipocrita! Cada a@o pide refuerzos extranjeros ... Su goleador es argentino, para no ir mas lejos. Por otro lado que risa, no se si se acuerdan del "defensor de los mexicanos" llevaba 6 meses en espa@a y cuando lo entrevistaban, contestaba con acento espa@ol. Jugadores extranjeros que no han hecho gran cosa en Mexico han bloqueado a promesas como Fonseca e Iniguez. Fonseca la temporada pasada, saliendo de la banca fue su mejor goleador. Se supone que los Pumas producian jugadores ... Donde estan los Claudio Suarez? Los Garcia-Aspe ? los Miguel Espa@a? los Luis Garcia ? y mas recientemente los Gerardo Torrado ? ************ que rabia da ... por un lado disque defensores de los mexicanos y por otro lado mas malinchistas que la misma Malinche!
And about the question on this thread. I think that if someone adopts Mexico as its country, contributes to the society, pays taxes, etc. Further if he thinks of spending the rest of his life in Mexico, and if he is good enough to play in the national team I would not have a problem to accept him in the NT. I wouldn't see him less mexican as someone born in the Mexican territory. I think that "Patria" goes well beyond that. So are my children (two) less mexican because the were born in England ? NO! They have their mexican passports, they eat tortillas and they are learning to say chingao'. To finalise, lets see what players from other ethnic origins have done to National Teams. Maybe through colonies or through immigration. Analise the contribution of players in their National team: Henry, Gullit, Rijkaard, Zidane, Viera, Desailly, Eusebio!. So if a player with good conditions to contribute to the NT and if he is nationalised because he is planning to stay in Mexico, then he could be selected in the NT.
Que Gaitan se nacionaliza? http://www.esmas.com/deportes/futbol/346878.html Lean el parrafo que habla sobre los extranjeros de Tigres.
Walter Gaitan Y si quieren oirlo de sus propios labios, chequen esta liga. Y cheque su actuacion! http://m.esmas.com:8080/ramgen/video/0/000/002/061/TDVI0226_tigres.rm?usehostname Personalmente pienso que si Gaitan se nacionaliza (porque sus hijas seran mexicanas!) claro que deberia ser llamado a la seleccion!
thoughts on foreigners speaking as a chicano, i am unsure where i stand. i am proud as hell, but i would like to see a guy who can meter pinches goles play for el tri. that is a major problem i have seen with el tri mayor. they have great development, but there isnt a guy (some may argue that c. blanco can do this, i dont necessarily agree) that can meter pinches goles. there seems to be younger guys who can do this like rafa marquez lugo, but our older footballers dont seem to have that. gaitan can do that! now i understand the beef, and i dont want to sound malichinsta, but if gaitan wants to become a naturalized mexican have his family there and be a "mexican" citizen why not. if it is true that gaitan has raised his kids in mexico lindo, that should give more of a clue that he actually loves the country and that is what is most important. the only qualifier is that he has to let the "che" stuff go and start saying pinche and guey. that would obviously make him much more mexican. as for the great hugo sanchez, i have some real issues with the guy. first, like cadblur said, he came back from spain speaking with a pinche lisp. second, he seems to criticize and complain about how mexican soccer is being argentinized when he went to spain to learned and flourished in their style--there is nothing wrong with that. however, when the team that he coaches doesnt play consistently and he doesnt even have a championship to show for it, maybe he should keep his mouth shut. just because you were a great player, doesnt make you a great coach. anyway, the final word is that if the guy loves mexico enough to raise his family there, then give him a chance. people may say that may open the door for other foreigners, but things should be looked at on a case by case basis. remember not all foreigner come from the same situation. here is some food for thought, nery castillo. do you gueyes think that he is a true mexican? he is holding out to get called up to the seleccion mayor de mexico o uruguay. lavolpe actually asked him to play for the U-23 team and he refused. people dont seem to make a big fuss about that! gaitan lives in mexico and even has mexican kids.