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Re: The Arrests in 133 I don't think anyone is questioning the fact that the security response was unacceptable. My point is that we need to accept that we started this. We - as in Philadelphia Union supporters - need to admit that we sparked this whole mess. Both the FO and the supporters need to admit their roles in this. And all sides need to learn from this. True, but the second incident was clearly sparked when a Philadelphia supporter decided to cross a line and grab that CHI guy's scarf. If the supporters and the FO are ever going to get along we need to take on our fair share of the resposnibility to make it work.
Re: The Arrests in 133 It's not a question of why or how the incident was started, it's the reaction and question to how poorly, incorrectly and one sided it was handled? One of the things that baffles me is how the FO can not look at every other team and stadium and how they separate the home and away supporters. If they do it seems they're just turning a blind eye to it.
Re: The Arrests in 133 how do other teams handle it? obv NY, Dc, and NE have no problems b/c of their empty upper decks. what do teams like RSL and Chicago do with traveling support?
Re: The Arrests in 133 I'm getting really sick of reading your sycophantic FO sympathy. I was there, I was detained, I was arrested for no reason. Where does this 'We' come from? What did 'We' as supporters do to deserve being arrested without cause? Sing? Chant? Say A$$hole? C'mon now. We all know that this was caused by one or two individuals..we get it.... we don't need you to remind us. The purpose of this post as I see it, is to look into how the FO has to change to make this up to the people affected and to prevent problems in the future for other potential victims of their scorched earth prevention tactics. I am (or was) a paying season ticket holder. There is no way I am stepping back into an environment where I can be arrested because someone else started something. No one talked to me...no one asked me to look at evidence..no one even told us what was going on....just haul them away. No one from the 'learning' FO has contacted me to make ammends...no one form the FO was in the cell all night in CHESTER with me. If they want to 'learn' so badly maybe they should have sat us down to review this tape. Maybe we could have learned something then. I'm out money, time, and dignity. The FO is working on the next ESPN contract. Thanks for reminding me that 'We as supporters sparked this whole mess'
Re: The Arrests in 133 They don't have home and away support in the same section. I know when I went to a RB match at the meadowlands they had rows of seats covered between the supporters much like England/Europe
Re: The Arrests in 133 From what i have heard, the Red Bull fans are all going to be in a section to themselves. This is a problem that MLS has because of the large distance to travel for away teams. A lot of the time- you have 0 to very little away support at games - so do you have a completely empty section in your stadium for that? Everyone complains, but these are the kinds of thing that the FO are going to have to learn the "hard way". I would be worried if things didn't change or they didn't take advice/constructive criticism, but from what i have read/heard that isn't the case here.
Re: The Arrests in 133 Bravo devilsadvocate, Where is the :bow: icon Is crosswired a cop, lawyer, front office???
Re: The Arrests in 133 They don't have that problem at RBA so they don't understand why it's an issue at PPL. Just plain ignorance on their part. If they wanted more than the alloted 100 they should have purchased group tix immediately when they went on sale and dealt with the FO then and not months later. There's a pretty good chance there will be random Union supporters scattered in 132 and 131 because of this oversight. That and the fact that the season ticket holders in 133 are going to completely surrounded by RB fans really sets this thing up for a giant clusterf*ck.
Re: The Arrests in 133 Nope. Just someone who waited 15 years to get our own team, and doen't want it to all go flushing because some yob thinks he should be able to get away with sparking a fight with an away supporter.
Re: The Arrests in 133 Ignorance is bliss in your case then as you just don't see or don't want to see what the actual problem is.
Re: The Arrests in 133 Could just be the actual problem is trying to blame it on someone else. All of you "I saw the whole thing" are all so worried about the people who got wrongly accused. Set it straight. Obviously its bothering you so much to rant and rant on a message board about it, so nark them out. That's just my view on it. Don't PM me getting all defensive or "I'm not a nark" because if you're not willing to set it straight, then don't complain. Yeah its shitty that away support is right there with you guys, but I've seen it posted "I picked to sit with them, we like it" so you're fully aware of what the FO has done with away support. You knew they were gonna be there. And yet you're all complaining about them being there. Maybe the ones accused of it weren't, idk.
Re: The Arrests in 133 Nice post:- Yup. If it was the wrong people that were getting taken away by the police/stewards, why didn't the right people either own up or get "narked". It is kind of double standards expecting the police/stewards to get it right with no help, complaining when they get it wrong but not offering to help when they get it right. If everyone "saw it perfectly well" - then why didn't they point out who the wrongdoers were? I don't believe for 1 second there were no wrongdoers. That too. I don't know about others, but i was told where "away" fans were going to be when i was buying my ticket. It was late on in the season when i got my season tickets, but when i first thought about it, i am sure we had been told where they would be back then. Now everyone knows where they are, so if people complain about where the away fans are next year, and that they are in the same section - well it is their own fault. As i said before, this is a problem in the whole in the US - there is no "away only" section in any sports. There just usually isn't that demand for people to travel a long distance to go to away games on the other side of the country, so having a whole section closed off for every away team makes 0 sense. Can you imagine the uproar with people not getting tickets, yet the "away section" is empty?
Re: The Arrests in 133 OK. Nobody said there were no wrongdoers. There were two. How wrong was the wrong? The fact of the matter is that those two guys should have been ejected and that's that. Witnesses have already describe it as a 4th grade recess disagreement. I appreciate the club's concern about liability and all, but the truth of the matter could have all been sorted out at PPL or later the next day once names and numbers were taken. From their perspective there was a huge problem... but the kid they were worried about was a kid of a guy in our group who actually got roped into this a little bit and had no issue with the preceived danger of the incident whatsoever anyway. I realize the club wouldn't know this straightaway. They can't read minds... But it could have been sorted out before a half dozen people get the bracelets thrown on. As far as the comment about yobs thinking they can start fights... I'll be honest with you, dude, you should really shut the f*ck up and piss off out of this whole situation.
Re: The Arrests in 133 Wow, thanks bluetooner, I wasn't expecting that haha I was ready to get my ass chewed out haha I'm glad you agree, and hopefully everyone else does. Personally, I know in the RE, we police ourselves for the most part. I've been to about every home game, I enjoy getting together with everyone and having a good time. If we don't take care of issues by ourselves, when we can, we'll lose that enjoyment. And I know none of us want that. We've waited far too long to have this, we've done way to much to get what we have.
Re: The Arrests in 133 They did. The FO refused to be helpful and capped the amount of group tickets they could buy.
Re: The Arrests in 133 Wow..either you guys don't read or are just little FO soldiers. NOBODY LISTENED TO US!!!! NOBODY WANTED TO HEAR WHO DID IT!!! THEY WANTED BODIES IN THE WAGON!!! There was zero interest on hearing who did it...multiple people attempted to get the story straight but nobody from CSC or Chester police wanted to listen. Go stick your heads back in the sand
Re: The Arrests in 133 Then it all comes back to a little rule we all leanred in elementary school. Keep your hands to yourself. At the chivas game, ask the dude if it was really worth tugging that scarf. But I'll go put my head back in the sand...apparently that's where logic lives.
Re: The Arrests in 133 The "we" comes from the fact that the FO, the security companies, and the general public will take any individual incident and blow it way out of proportion to call us all hooligans. We are going to get the blame for one individual's actions. That individual was not you. And yes, you and those who were arrested suffered more harm than the rest of us. That being said, if this had been a brawl, then we would all be branded as dangerous malcontents and typical soccer hooligans. I agree with that 100%. My interjection in this thread was to point out the we - all Union supporters - need to stop placing 100% of the blame on the FO. I get that you were wrongly hauled off. That is a travesty, and should never happen again. You deserve an apology from the FO at the very least. But you should also get an apology from the CHI goon and the Philly supporter that yanked his scarf. They had a part to play in this mess as well.
Re: The Arrests in 133 No. I have a vested interest in this. I pay to be in the Sons of Ben so I can stand with my fellow die hards in the River End and I pay the Union for the privelage to attend matches. What happens to any supporters group will effect the relationship between the TEAM and all of the supporters groups. Every supporter has a steak in this.
Re: The Arrests in 133 I can't believe the level of ignorance that some people are spouting on this board. Let me get this straight, if you were standing by your seat and some jackass behind you started a fight or altercation with another person and security grabbed everyone in the area including you and hauled you off to jail, you wouldn't have a problem? You need to stop trying to place blame and realize the injustice that occurred. You would be singing a different tune if you were wrongfully detained. Get off your high horse and realize that not everyone who was arrested was gulity. Yes someone did start the incident and they should be dealt with but the other innocent individuals should receive an apology and have their records cleared. As I said before, this whole incident stems from the FO not being able to handle the away supporters. It is their problem that one or two Union supporters helped exacerbate into a larger incident. The security played a role as well. You can't simply blame the supporters as everyone had a role and as seems to be a pattern the security/police reacted rather than act in a calm professional manner. As far as I am concerned the FO deserves 90% of the blame because they provided the environment for a fire. All that was needed was a spark to ignite the flames. Again my goal here is not to place blame but to resolve this from escalating into a national news story where Philly fans are trashed yet again and god forbid someone gets seriously hurt or worse. The NY match under the current circumstances has the possibility of becoming our worst nightmare.
Re: The Arrests in 133 This Forget about everything else and stick with this. This comment makes sense. Again the FO is not 100% to blame but they share the majority of the blame because they created the environment for this to happen. They knew it was a problem and did nothing or very little to fix it.