"The Passion of the Christ" Thread

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  1. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
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    So, has anyone here seen "The Passion of the Christ?"

    thoughts?
     
  2. Hard Karl

    Hard Karl New Member

    Sep 3, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    I had some friends that saw it. They said other than being spetacularly violent it wasn't all that interesting. They said the "last temptation of christ" was far more interesting.

    just what I heard.
     
  3. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    Haven't seen it, but all the reviews so far seem to be pretty postive.

    I think Mel should get an Oscar for superior marketing and buzz-creation, seeing as how he tapped into the paranoia about anti-Semitism, fueled by Dad's inanities and the his own preference for the schismatic fundametalist strain of Catholicism.

    It may turn out that the film is not especially controversial.
     
  4. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    For those of us who haven't seen it yet, please don't give away the ending. Or at least put an (R) in the title. Thanx.
     
  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Your people killed him.
     
  6. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
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    Seattle Sounders
    Fucking Wizards fans.
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Or Gephardt fanatics.
     
  8. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    New York Red Bulls
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    Not even close to true, though that's never really stopped you in the past.

    It seems that most everyone has a bias going into it -- if you believe that Jesus Christ is the one true Lord and Savior, you will love it because you love Jesus. If you think that Gibson is using God to make money, you're not going to be swayed into thinking that he has created great art here.
     
  9. chocolate

    chocolate New Member

    Oct 25, 2003
    milwaukee, WI
    no offense or anything!! but can i ask how a god can be a person? and is it leagel to act as God in ur religion?
     
  10. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
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    Los Angeles Sol
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    Philippines
    Wow. Clash of cultures.

    1) I'll let an actual religious person answer, but I think it's under "God can do anything, he's God, isn't he?" doctrine.

    2) We don't have blasphemy laws, although I don't think if I walked into Our Lady of the Angels and said I was Jesus that they would seat me in the most comfortable chair in the cathedral.
     
  11. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    OR


    C) Both of the above.

    Which is why I'm not going to go see Mel Gibson's Cash Wednesday Extravaganza.
     
  12. ricv56

    ricv56 New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Bellflower
    I saw a rough cut of the film in January, and out of all the reviews I've seen so far, Roger Ebert's is by far the most thoughtful and he puts forth the most effort to reckon with the film's theological considerations.

    Ebert cited David Ansen's review in Newsweek as a legitimate criticism of the film that voices the concerns of people who feel the movie goes too far. I read Ansen's review as well and agree that it is thoughtful, but I personally don't agree with his evaluation of the film, likely because I came into it with different presuppositions and from a different context.

    In the end, context will dictate how people view and evaluate the film, many will very legitimately see very different things when viewing this film.

    ricv56
     
  13. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    #### you.

    Haven't seen it, but all the reviews so far seem to be pretty postive.

    I didn't claim to have read all of them...and I said "pretty positive."

    So to the leftist qualities of pessimism, cynicism, condenscesion, distintintion-blurring and demagoguery, I am now pleased to add gratuitous personal attacks and gross smugness borne of self-satisfying "gotcha" nitpicking.

    Great to be you, eh?

    Most everyone?? You're all over MY ass, but where are YOUR survey results??

    This statement of yours is so ludicrously illogical, so sweeping in its generalization, so self-righteous is its superfical conclusiveness, it's a complete waste of screen pixels.

    Great to be you, eh?
     
  14. Georgio

    Georgio New Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    Canada
    Critics

    If you want a true indication of what the critics think of this movie, try this website:

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941/reviews.php?page=1

    Any movie that get's just over 50% approval from the major movie critics (74 critics thus far) is not a movie that will go down as all that signigicant - which was Mel Gibson's failed attempt. This is quite possibly the best gage you'll get on whether it is a good movie. Just look at movies that are known to be good or classic greats and see how their ratings are portrayed accordingly on this website. Makes sense, since it averages out a vast number of reviews from columnists.
     
  15. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    The Prayers of the Liberals

    1) Dont get OBL before November
    2) Keep the economy down
    3) No movie about Christianity can be popular or good.
     
  16. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
    if i go today, does that mean i can skip out of ash wed mass?
     
  17. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    Bolivia
    Just got back from it. It's weird seeing your Lord & Savior treated pornographically. I can't believe people are taking their kids to see this. It's like Pasolini's Salo without the artistry or spirituality. If this is Gibson's interpretation of what's important in Christianity, then I'm not surprised that he's a manic depressive with suicidal tendencies.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    We tend to love "Last Temptation."
     
  19. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    If that is true, it is a sad commentary on society. I think I don't belong to either of those groups.

    I find it intellectually impossible to accept the idea that the revolutionary historical figure who started the Christian movement two thousand years ago would be related in any way to the entity or force which may be responsible for the big bang and everything that's happened since. So I wouldn't say that he is the one and true savior.

    However, that doesn't mean that I should cynically question the intentions of Mr. Gibson, who by all accounts appears to be a very genuine individual. Perhaps he honestly has those beliefs, and if so, he has every right, as an industry proffesional who's earned his reputation, to present his version in the screen.

    Personally I am interested in seeing the movie, because Jesus is an intriguing historical figure and the passion story is powerful regardless of our beliefs, and also because I like Gibson's work in the past.

    But if it turns out, as some are saying, to be just two hours of a guy getting whipped while people curse at him in Aramaic and Latin, then I will be dissapointed by it, because I will see it as a missed opportunity by a talented individual to create something more meaningful than that. We shall see.
     
  20. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
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    That's why I have no intention of seeing it. Does someone really need to see this to get an idea of what Christ's final hours were like?

    On another point, I'm sure anyone who has given the movie a bad review because they claim it's anti-semitic probably had no problem with the free speech issue when some artists used human feces and urine on paintings of Christ and the Virgin Mary several years ago and called it art.

    You can't have it both ways.
     
  21. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    So how is it censorship to say that a movie sucks?

    By that standard, would you consider Gigli and Ishtar to be powerful, revolutionary and challenging films?
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    Ishtar was a missunderstood masterpiece.
     
  23. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    Gringo...I will see the movie tomorrow, but wanted to comment on your post.

    The movie, from all accounts, accurately portrays the account of the Gospels. The cross is the most important point of Jesus ministry. It is why he came to earth...so that he could take on the sins of the world, and that through faith in Him, and his love for us, that we can be saved.

    The fact that God allows himself to be treated in this way proves how much he loves the world. He could have called down 12 legions of angels at any point. He freely allows himself to go through hell, so that I will not have to. Even though I am sinful and fall short of His glory on a daily basis. He would allow himself to be a sacrafice for the world, so that the world, through Him, can be saved.

    Without the Cross, their is no redemption. The cross to me means victory over sin. It is my sin that put him there on that cross, and it is His love for me that allows me to be redemned. It is that he rose from the dead three day's later that I can know that my sins are not only forgiven, but that I too, through faith, have everlasting life.

    Satan is very active right now. He is doing all he can to diminish this film as a witness for the truth.
     
  24. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    There's a really tasteless joke I could put in here, but I'll pass.
     
  25. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    No it doesn't. It portrays the last 12 hours of Jesus' life and includes all kinds of dialogue and charcterizations that are nowhere to be found in the Bible.

    That's all fine and dandy, but the movie is about the voyeristic torture of another human being- not about the sacrifice of a god.

    There's more preaching in your quote here than in Mel Gibson's whole ********ing movie.

    I think Satan's very active in promoting this film right now- probably in the form of a Jewish Hollywood exec. I can't think of a better way to turn nonbelievers away from Jesus than to show thim Gibson's pornographic piece of shit.
     

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