The Triple Crown of Clown: Franz Beckenbauer, Uli Hoeneß, and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, were frightened by his methods.
I think they were just frightened by the embarassing defeats that Bayern had to endure under Klinsmann. Then there was that little problem that he turned the best defence of the Bundesliga (21 goals against in the whole season before Kinsi took over) to shit. Bayern had already conceded 37 goals when they fired Klinsmann after gameday 29 (with the exact same team). In the first season under Van Gaal Bayern conceded only 27 goals until after game 29. That´s 10 goals less allowed in the same number of games, and Van Gaal even rejuvenated the defence because he had the balls to bring in young players like Badstuber and Contento. Klinsi brought two players to Bayern, number one was Massimo Oddo on loan from AC "retirement home" Milan and he was a total failure. Number two was Landycakes, and due to several reasons he didn´t find his place in the team either. Then one has to mention the fact that all the influental players in the team like van Bommel, Ribery, Luca Toni and even Lahm complained that Klinsmann just wasn´t able to give them the one thing that they wanted and needed the most=tactical advice! He lost the locker room as a result and when that happens the coach just has to go, there´s no sensible way to continue the work contract under such circumstances. So there are no conspiracy theories involving Hoeneß and Rummenigge needed here, Klinsmann just had to go by all means.
Yeah, except for Oliver Kahn, 4-time world goalie of the year, member of the FIFA 100, but with Michael Rensing, currently without a contract. 2 years later. Badstuber and Contento were 16 when Klinsmann started at Bayern, and they are not the reason why the Bayern defense is strong again, that would be Hans-Jörg Butt. The Bayern coach doesn´t bring anyone in, it´s the management who decides about the make-up of the roster. It just proves that Klinsmann wasn´t allowed to buy the players he wanted. Oddo was never more than just a quick fix for backup full-back, and Landon Donovan was not a world-beater in the Bundesliga, either. Hmm, I can´t remember such criticism. What I do remember is how the shady munich media and the german yellow press (and consequently, the Bayern fanbase) made jokes about Buddhas at the training facilities and similar non-football related issues on which Klinsmann had no influence whatsoever. I´m not the biggest Klinsmann fan in the world, but that was scapegoating at it´s finest.
I get the feeling that, to many US fans, Klinsmann is like the girl you flirted with but never actually got. He always appears better than whoever you are with because he's an idea and a possibility, not a reality.
Interesting characterization. Sadly, in any field of endeavor, the "big picture" guys who don't want to apprentice, or excel at smaller jobs first, are guaranteed failures.
He didn't fail as coach of German National Team. Look, this is a guy who has played on a WC Championship team, Euro Cup Championship Team, UEFA Cup Championship Team, BL Championship Team, was German Football Player of the year twice, and has scored goals at all of those levels, including Prem and Serie A. He scored 233 goals for his sr club teams and 47 goals for Germany. He was paid handsomely and as a prolific goal scorer. He has all the money that he needs. He coached Germany to a 3rd place WC finish. He coached Bayern Munich, one of the top football clubs in the world. Yes, he was fired but with the team only 3 pts out of first place. He was also paid quite well for those 2 jobs. So, he can basically pick and choose what he wants to do. If he doesn't like the terms of an offer, he is quite content to stay home with his family. He isn't going to spend time apprenticing to be a coach or anything else for that matter.
This argument is such BS it is mind boggling. I wish someone who says this would also take note of how broken the German team was. They had every issue I can think of after 02 with players leaving and the talent that was replacing it with for the most part was not good enough. Klinsmann deserves a lot of credit getting as far as he did
Klinsmann was always a low key guy, the anti-Lothar Matteus. While the rest of the Bayern Munich squad was partying like rock stars, Klinsmann quietly drove through town in a light blue VW Bug. He doesn't seek the limelight, it seeks him. As a personal matter I love his all out offense philosophy. I also think JK has mastered an overarching physical & psychological regimen for his squads that gels his philosophy. Its the type of program common in the NFL but that German Players took a few years to adjust to. US Nats would welcome this approach. Whether the personnel exists for JK to succeed is is a different question. He would be an interesting coach for the USA, and someday, in all probability he will get his chance. Whether it will be before or after Mourinho, who's to say? Klinsmann is happy to live anonymously in Newport Beach California and sit and wait for the right job.
Does not matter who becomes coach since the talent pool remains the same. It may improve some but it will be 10 to 15 years for us to threaten the top tier. All a new coach brings is hope. I take Bradley's record rather than hope.
Yeah, because I am sure the youth system that Jurgen helped put in place while he was German manager benefited none this past World Cup. Since after all Germany had one of the youngest WC squads. And Klinsi may not be a tactical genius but he has always done well surrounding himself with good young assistants. So we have no idea who he would have hired had he gotten the USMNT job. And are you really going to call a 3rd place finish at home failure after it just took one of the greatest moments in WC history for us to even get out of the group?
The youth set up was in place. Jurgen gets credit because it was churning out the players when he got put in charge. Yes, he did a good job hiring Low. However, he should never EVER get a job after hiring Martin Vasquez at Bayern. What. The. Hell. Third place finish is not a failure for anyone. But you can't compare the squads. We don't have a player that cracks their 11.
Young assistants? Löw is 50, just two years younger than Bob Bradley, and had already won a German cup title as Stuttgart's head coach and reached a European cup final, when Klinsmann was still an active player. I doubt he could have signed a guy who won a title in Germany, made a European cup final, won the Austrian championship and coached a Turkish Superclub for small money as an assistant for the US.
Your right, no way the USMNT pays for an asst. like.... (I don't know) Carlos Queiroz. (Although I wish Bradley would hire him) Either way their is no point in arguing about it, Bradley is our Coach. I just think it's a waste not to listen to Klinsmanns ideas... It's not like we are churning out world class players here in the US. IMO give him the state of Florida (where they live and breathe football) and see if he can make a difference. After all the best athletes in the US/world come from there. http://www.databasefootball.com/players/player_bystate.htm?state=FL
Jen Chang had a weird tweet today about the need to find a "superior tactician" or something along those lines. My first response to this is, where do we find this mysterious "superior tactician?" It certainly wasn't Klinsi. Anybody who followed the German team in '06 knows that Klinsi was about motivation, and would leave the tactics to Loew. When I was in Germany, there was some documentary that showed Klinsman at half-time exhorting the squad to win and be brave and stuff like that, then he'd pipe down and Loew would explain what they had to do to win. As for Klinsi revamping the program...what? What experience does he have with youth teams? I do not understand what he brings to the table, and why Gulati even flirts with him. It's clear to me that unless you bring in a Hiddink or a Mourinho, you really aren't going to improve much over Bradley. Which is fine, because our team is ridiculously thin and flawed. A healthy Davies and Gooch (not to mention Jermaine Jones), means a likely trip to the quarters at minimum with the draw we had. With two critical players injured or playing below-par, all of a sudden we struggled to get out of our group and had an epic match against Ghana. Honestly we were lucky to get out of our group, because I'd argue that we were probably third in terms of talent in the group. So we punched way over our weight, just as we have for the past four years. People can finger Bradley for starting Clark against Ghana, but my guess was his mindset was that Bradley and Clark have had tons of reps together, and Edu while probably better than Clark this tournament, wasn't having a barnstormer either (I thought he had an average tournament to below average, his passing is garbage). Wrong call, but honestly if Jermaine Jones was healthy neither of those guys would have seen a minute of action. So again I ask, why do we have this infatuation with Klinsman? I also ask why are we so deluded in thinking that some sort of tactical genius can mold our group of second and third rate players (Dempsey was probably our best offensive player...Donovan dissapeared too much in the third and fourth games for my liking...and he fights for minutes at Fulham) into Italy or Germany. I'd rather have a coach who is able to forge a group identity with a never say die attitude to squeeze the most out of the guys emotionally. Bradley did that, and unless we had a chance at a Hiddink, he's probably the right choice. Time will tell of course, but it'll be interesting.
Marcelo Bielsa is one. I'm not sure when he agreed to his new contract with Chile, but if the USSF had acted quickly after the World Cup we maybe could've gotten him. If at any time he is let go by Chile in the next f4-5 years, I say drop Bradley and get him on the phone. This (unlikely) scenario would be harsh to Bob, but I truly believe the payoff would be incredible.
He'd probably find some. People think Bradley searched Heaven and Earth to find his players. If the things they say about Bielsa incessantly watching tape and scouting players are true, he would dig even deeper than Bradley. IIRC he capped some Chilean players before they had even played a professional game. I think he did the same with Argentina too.
I really would like to know who started that rumor that JK had anything to do with the new German youth system expect being the first coach to profit from it