Action Plan

Discussion in 'Sons of Ben' started by JINX_1391, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Culo...Spanish for asshole...not as offensive as ********, but same sound cadence...
     
  2. SJUnion

    SJUnion Member

    Jul 22, 2010
    Union Land
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Culo is more like buttcheeks...or just butt. But I think its hilarious in this context. Vote 1 for CULO!
     
  3. JINX_1391

    JINX_1391 New Member

    Jul 30, 2010
    Columbia, MD
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you mean "you suck Culo!", or "uuuuuuuuuuu-CULO!"?

    If your looking for a closer meaning of a-hole in Spanish...try huevon.
     
  4. McRob

    McRob Member

    Jan 17, 2010
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure I understand why we want to say something in Spanish.

    Not sure the rest of the crowd will either.
     
  5. CrazyUnionBox

    CrazyUnionBox Member

    Mar 14, 2007
    137 Seat 1
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You suck FOTZE... Or I just like to cross the line :)
     
  6. sully127

    sully127 Member

    Apr 3, 2010
    138, C
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm with this. I mean... I do understand why, but it doesn't contextually make a lot of sense to me.

    Now we'll be offending the 'Joey Vento's of the stadium!!! :rolleyes:
     
  7. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    You guys are way overthinking this. It all starts by everyone putting their hands in the air and going "Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh..." Instead of doing that, just do the C'mon the U chant, Philadelphia chant, or the Union chant when the ball goes out for a goal kick. It's a chant that seems like everyone in the River End already knows, does in unison and does loudly. Don't stop your current chant or song just because it's a goal kick. You keep going. If everyone takes their lead from the RE, they will either follow or stop doing YSA. Also, people in the River End will drown out any other noise the rest of the stadium does when we do C'mon the U or Philadelphia.

    Stop looking for ways to replace the chant. Stop looking for things that might fit. Just stop doing it altogether. Don't put your arms up. Don't start going "Oooooooooooooooooh..." Just keep chanting and singing. All this back and forth solves nothing. If you want it people to stop using YSA, stop giving them the opportunity to do it. If the RE stops it, we can no longer be held responsible for it. We did what the front office asked us to do.
     
  8. SJUnion

    SJUnion Member

    Jul 22, 2010
    Union Land
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I am of the opinion that the YSA isn't going anywhere unless the FO takes a hard line against it. And by hard line I mean them telling the SOB to change it or else. Then the SOB would have to put out flyers to EVERYONE in the River End with a clear message that the YSA is banned. Do I think that'll happen? Nope, at least not this season, hell maybe not ever. That is unless this foul language stuff really does lead to the apocalypse and tanks the team attendance to the point of oblivion.

    So my Culo support is really just something I thought was funny and would add some levity to this discussion. Im Puerto Rican, raised in a Spanish house so I can relate the the funny/silly tone of the word Culo. However I have to agree thats its probably not something I really think people would say in mass. But until someone comes up with something better and catchy...here we are, trading ideas cause thats what we do here.

    I'm not trying to be a downer but I think this thread is more for the sake of conversation than it is to affect real change. In the heat of the moment and with mob at their back the YSA will likely endure. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not thats not gonna stop me from rootin for my team, going to as many games as I can, and putting my 2 cents in when I have them to spare.
     
  9. JINX_1391

    JINX_1391 New Member

    Jul 30, 2010
    Columbia, MD
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone promote that man! He has ideas!
     
  10. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See, that's the thing. We like it that everyone else in the stadium is putting their hands in the air and making noise for the Union. Goal kicks are a great opportunity to get everyone in the stadium focused on the game and making some noise.

    Yeah, we could ignore it. But I'd rather do what we can to keep it. There are few enough chants that everyone in the stadium gets into.
     
  11. latestmonkey

    latestmonkey New Member

    Jun 28, 2010
    Well, that solves that problem.

    Now the execution.
     
  12. sully127

    sully127 Member

    Apr 3, 2010
    138, C
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words, once we tell them they have to stop doing that, they'll decide they hate the SoB. Our alternative is to not to tell them in which case the FO hates SoB.

    This is Win-Win!
     
  13. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who's telling them to stop? We'll tell them to keep doing what they're doing, but with slightly different words.
     
  14. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    Then you're going to have people doing YSA. You can't complain about it and try to change it. It will never change. It may be great that you've got everyone doing it, but until you stop it from the core, it will be a problem.

    I'm not against the chant. I don't care what we chant. In fact, the dirtier, the better. However, people are dissatisfied with it, and those people happen to be in power. If they don't want it anymore, then there's no sense in trying to fix it or make subtle changes. Just get rid of it, and the problem is no longer the SoBs.
     
  15. sully127

    sully127 Member

    Apr 3, 2010
    138, C
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah... I guess I'm just pessimistic, though the random-hatred for the SoB and River End I've come across has gone down significantly since early-on.

    I guess it has all been replaced by this whole 'acceptable language' dialogue.

    The thing that sucks is that you really can't win. The majority of our group was happy with things as they were going, then some other fans in the stadium apparently aren't happy. Okay... so we're asked by the front office to change. We go to change, now our own ranks are divided on the matter, the fans who originally complained are still upset, and the outside fans who were happy with the way it was before are also disenfranchised.

    If the FO wants us to change, then okay... let's change, but I really just think the whole thing is a no-win situation. We change this and piss off a lot more people than the ones who were originally pissed off to begin with, and that whole crowd will just move on to find something else to get pissed off about anyway.
     
  16. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    Whether you want to believe it or not, there are many people outside of the RE who hate the SoBs. I don't understand their manifestation, nor do I care. Here's what I do know: We have a supporter's group. Our main concern should be that of the supporter's group. Everyone else can fuck off. Let the people outside of it do what they want, and they can succumb to the consequences. Keep our own house in order. If we stop doing it, it's not our problem anymore.
     
  17. doriangray

    doriangray New Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is not clear to me exactly why this needs to be changed. I don’t think it has been explained clearly. Some number of fans (SoBs and otherwise) don’t like it for aesthetic reasons. They find it unoriginal. That’s their opinion and they are entitled to it. However, the sheer volume of the chant would seem to indicate to me that enough people like it and participate to tip the balance in favor of YSA on this score. The polls are unnecessary. Listen around the ground.

    In regards to the front office request, this was communicated as a suggestion. The club executives would prefer it changed, but have offered no consequences for noncompliance. The chance of the club requesting the ejection of the thousands who currently participant seems unlikely in the extreme. I suppose that if it didn’t change then the club could perhaps be less inclined to make some other concession or grant some other privileges in the future, but to whom? This is beyond an SoB issue now. Will they punish you? Are you responsible for all the fans behavior? The problem with this is I see no way to make a decision based on no known ramification. Do you really think that whatever contingent wants to stop or alter YSA will be enough to actually do it?

    The club have voiced no objection to “Come on Union score a goal…” because the fück is quick and the song itself is not widely known outside the hardcore support. So we have a counterintuitive situation. The most popular chant is under some type of scrutiny but I’d hardly say there’s a true mandate for change.

    The offensive nature of YSA is overstated. It is a known chant and as yet has not had any provable negative impact on anything (attendance, security, etc.). I think everyone will have a great deal more productive time in each day if this whole issue is dropped. It’s a gargantuan waste of time. Just keep doing it.

    Full disclosure: I will continue to do YSA because it’s loud and we have clearly made it our own. Others may do it but we do it best.
     
  18. UnionZ010

    UnionZ010 New Member

    Mar 26, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    YSA is anything BUT our own. everyone does it, and it's really not that great anyway. it was hysterical for the first game or so, but it's starting to get old (for ME anyway).

    regardless, if the FO wants us to think of an alternative, then i don't see why there is so much push back. some people are getting so fired up that you'd think that the FO has asked us to stop DOOP'ing (which actually IS our own - on this continent)
     
  19. doriangray

    doriangray New Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My point was that we made it our own. "Others do it but we do it best." Many have speculated (or maybe this is fact) the the FO is getting heat from MLS because it's very loud on TV. So if others do it why has it never come up previously? I stipulate that we do it best.

    I have no problem with DOOP, but if you want to talk about boring... it's one nonsense word over and over that is only loud because is sung with the soundtrack over the PA.

    There's so much push back becasue you have something loud that nearly half the people are doing... but you want to change it because it puts off a bunch of rich guys is suits and some people think it isn't original enough.
     
  20. Ruud11

    Ruud11 Member

    Dec 2, 2009
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Tell them that up to now we have tried hard but have not come with anything better; only much worse (FYA). Also, that the real issue that should be tackled is what is said afterwards (things like 'and your mother is a W..'). Whoever says that should be chucked out.

    With time YSA will wear out and something new will slowly get introduced.
     
  21. Io sono Unionista

    Jun 24, 2010
    WE ARE 138, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Us against the world. Right on, brotha.
     
  22. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i still have yet to hear doop over the PA
     
  23. doriangray

    doriangray New Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not following you. Whether taken straightforwardly or sarcastically...
     
  24. doriangray

    doriangray New Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's played after every Union goal. I'm usually in the middle of a mad scene myself so perhaps this has stopped and I haven't noticed.
     
  25. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is an SoB issue as long as the SoBs are the ones doing it the loudest. We are not responsible for everyone's behavior but we are responsible for what we do as a group.

    It will stop being an SoB issue once the front office can say "that's not the Sons of Ben doing that, it's just some random guys around the stadium."

    This is not true. As a result, we are trying to get the word out to the SoBs to sing it with the line "DOOPing mental" instead.

    With respect, I would say that you may not get the issue because as a non-SOB who sits outside the River End you don't have any skin in this game.

    The SoBs have a good relationship with the front office right now. I've seen in other cities what happens when that good relationship doesn't exist, and I don't want that here.

    The team has not asked us all to become Girl Scouts. They have asked us to (1) not do any organized chants with the word "f*ck" in them, and (2) try to change the one chant they get the most complaints about. That seems like a reasonable request.
     

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