Yura Movsisyan to play for Armenia

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  1. rimshot15

    rimshot15 Member

    Jun 11, 2009
    Utah
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    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
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    United States
    Bob Bradley or whoever the US coach will be needs to be making a trip to Denmark asap
     
  3. beaveman

    beaveman New Member

    Feb 12, 2007
    Mapleton, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A chance to play in the EUROs is probably much more enticing than a chance to play in the CONCACAF Gold Cup. :(
     
  4. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hmm, yes, euro's over world cup, thats a real ********ing no brainer.

    seriously though, the guy has NEVER sounded committed to either side, but the US is about to flush a good thing down the drain (which isnt surprising given our recent track record). armenia will not be making the world cup in yura's career timespan and he could be good enough to crack the US's world cup roster. at this point its so much less about player development than it is about who is going to step up to the plate and recruit this son of a bitch. the US is striking out right now, could be 0-3 on young talented players to line up the forward, midfield and defensive positions for the future. our national team system is totally ********ed up right now.
     
  5. rimshot15

    rimshot15 Member

    Jun 11, 2009
    Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is no way on earth that Armenia will qualify for Euro Cup. They have to go through Ireland, Russia, and Slovakia.
     
  6. kirsoccer

    kirsoccer BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 29, 2007
    I don't know how this works but when a friend of mine was applying for citizenship he couldn't spend more than 180 days in a 12-month period outside of the country. I wonder if Yura's move to Europe has had a negative impact on his pursuit of citizenship.
     
  7. rimshot15

    rimshot15 Member

    Jun 11, 2009
    Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I just learned that if he gets capped by Armenia in this game, he will be ineligible to ever play for the US. He has to have nationality for the US at the time he is capped (even if it's a friendly). I guess you can't get nationality later and then switch. I'm not really sure though.

    FIFA statute:

    Change of Association
    1. If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new
    nationality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several representative teams
    due to nationality, he may, only once, request to change the Association for
    which he is eligible to play international matches to the Association of another
    country of which he holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:
    VII. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS 69
    (a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official
    competition at “A” international level for his current Association, and at
    the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match
    in an official competition for his current Association, he already had the
    nationality of the representative team for which he wishes to play.
     
  8. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there's a jersey I would like to add to my collection.
     
  9. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He had stated he wanted to play for the US not to long ago, I wonder what happened....
     
  10. smackdowntay

    smackdowntay Member

    Oct 1, 2008
    Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How realistic was it for him to even play for the US anyways... media hype doesnt do it for me. Neither does Yura's hopes and dreams. Plus, I also heard that his agent is doing his thing again...
     
  11. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Not a bad move by Yura. Im guessing that this is their reply to not calling him in for Brazil. Maybe it will get USNAT's to come knocking, or he could become the limelight of a small country who would completely adore him.

    Either way, he looks to gain: Big fry on small team or small fry or medium fry team.

    Ultimately, I bet that since he isn't planning on returning to the US to play that he has given up hope for US citizenship.
     
  12. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Eh, he's kind of a prick. I'm not really torn up about this one.
     
  13. rimshot15

    rimshot15 Member

    Jun 11, 2009
    Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In coach bradley's defense, he is ineligible for a call up as he doesn't have nationality. Moving to Denmark could not have helped his chances of speeding up the legalization process. However his wife is American. Knowing our country's long, drawn out, pain in the butt legalization process, who knows when he could become a citizen.
     
  14. Black Prince

    Black Prince Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Given what little I know about Yura's immigration status, I suspect he could have likely already obtained his U.S. citizenship - if he would have wanted to.

    ...

    On the other topic, I definitely don't begrudge a player choosing to play for a country where they are actually called in to play.
     
  15. rimshot15

    rimshot15 Member

    Jun 11, 2009
    Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was made known that Yura would have had to wait 3 more years for citizenship. Moving to Denmark definitely didn't help either.
     
  16. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    Ya, you know, except that Yura isn't eligible to play for the US. This situation shouldn't be used to rail against the US national team system.

    Not that it doesn't deserve criticism, just that it's not Bob Bradley's or Sunil Gulati's fault that Yura's playing for Armenia.
     
  17. Black Prince

    Black Prince Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Yes, that may true. Especially if he intended to apply for citizenship based on his wife's citizenship.

    I was speaking generally about his ability to obtain US citizenship given the fact that he immigrated to the United States in 2002. If we assume that he came over from Baku as a refugee or asylee, he could have obtained his green card after a year of living in the United States. It's another 5 years after that to receive your citizenship.

    Obviously, I am assuming he is a refugee or asylee. He may not be, hence an alternative route to a green card. It's not unreasonable to assume he was admitted as a refugee or asylee, however, given his Armenian heritage and the Armenian pogroms that occurred in Baku.

    Anywho, it is all academic anyway. I wish him luck with whatever he chooses. *Sighs* What awesome goals in 2008 to get RSL into the playoffs (against COR) and past Chivas (that heel-flick at Rio Tinto).
     
  18. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if this is in fact true, it makes a bit more sense. Why not take your trade to the international level (even if it is with a bad squad) while you are young. Hopefully he can catch an eye or two, and make it to a bigger league (his play is suited best in the EPL I believe).

    Good luck Yura, wish it could have gone differently
     
  19. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am just impressed that you know the word "asylee." ;)
     
  20. Black Prince

    Black Prince Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Ha! Wish I could take credit for it, but I got it from the USCIS website. :)
     
  21. kirsoccer

    kirsoccer BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 29, 2007
    Having interviewed Yura on this topic in the past, here is what I know: Yura was granted full asylum status in July, 2007. In Aug 2008 he was waiting for his green card to be issued, and then expected a 4-year wait (according to him) to obtain citizenship. I believe he obtained his green card sometime in the middle of the 2009 season, but I'm not sure when.

    I think the question surrounding the US National team was whether or not he could get his citizenship in enough time to become part of the mix for the 2014 World Cup. With his move to Randers, this looks doubtful. Unfortunately if he can't make the 2014 WC roster, his usefulness to the US team diminishes dramatically. Probably a wise decision on his part to choose another path.
     
  22. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if this past world cup is any evidence, you dont have to be ready (or capped) until a couple months before the tournament starts...

    but I fully understand the move if what you have there is true
     
  23. georg

    georg Member+

    May 25, 2009
    Parowan, Utah
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad I think Yura could have been a much needed addition to the United States forward pool.
    Original post indicated that this did not limit his choice of National team Selection with this one match. Will this one match in fact make Yura unable to represent the U.S. in the future.?
     
  24. soccerbum23

    soccerbum23 Member

    May 21, 2006
    Lost in Utah
    At best he would keep the benches warm for the USMNT. I dont see him as a valuable addition
     
  25. lurpythepirate

    Sep 14, 2009
    Salt Lake City
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's too bad he won't play for the US, but given his citizenship status and relative skill level I'm not sure this makes much of a difference anyway. In any case, I'll always love Yura:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2xQtaClZOI"]YouTube- ‪Movsisyan Magic‬‎[/ame]
     

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