Wow, this is really disappointing. For a country in such despair, the one thing Argentina should have is its football. Even its National Team is corrupt. This is a sad day.
Says the Englishman Fgiriun, an admitted troll who, like many of the English, maintains an unhealthy obsession with Argentina. England is all that's great in the world and have won nothing since you've been alive. the FA is run by naive stodgies, who make up for that by failing to develop Englsih talent. GTFO
I'm not English and I despise the English NT just as much as the Brazilian. I stand by the comments I made some time ago although mind that I was being a bit sarcastic on a couple of posts. England would have most likely beaten Germany if it weren’t for that referee who disallowed their goal. Not only did that leave them with a psychological disadvantage but also caused Capello to alter their tactics for the second half.
Wow. (sniffing my wine for roofie additives) (making sure the powder on these desert crepes is actually sugar, not Bolivian Marching Powder) I agree with everyting you just said... (Awaiting the Apocalypse...)
Luis Segura has resigned ? Apparently Fernando Gamboa has been touted to replace Mancuso so this may well mean there will be conditions still attached to the extended contract. Which may still mean Diego does not take the offer. Brinkmanship ?
Ah, the good old English fall back position, blame the ref. To be fair, for once even the insanely one-eyed English press did not make a big deal out of the goal that never was and acknowledged that they had been rubbish for the entire tournament and had been outclassed, outplayed and out thought by Germany who should really have been leading 5-2 by half time.
^^^ exactly, this time even English media and their players think that Germany deserve to win. Also the neutral.
http://www.infobae.com/futbol/526614-100909-0-Maradona-no-cambia-su-decision-si-sacan-Mancuso-se-va http://www.canchallena.com/1285319-luis-segura-no-hay-un-plan-b-si-maradona-dice-que-no Diego wants Mancuso to stay or he'll quit. Meanwhile Segura has quit the AFA and has told reporters that there isn't a plan B if Diego doesn't renew his contract. Wtf???
It's beyond amateurish. The Argentinian football team for better or worse is a huge entity with a global presence and revenue streams. Any body of any size that knows the chief executive, director or senior president is about to retire for whatever reason is always making subtle inquiries to potential interested parties or people they think can make a good sucess of the position. They then draw up a shortlist should it be needed. No plan B ? No preliminary talks with say a Martino ? The people running the AFA if this is in true would not be fit to run a children's picnic. It's a disgrace really. Hopefully Fernando Gamboa gets parachuted in, Diego has a strop and resigns and we can all move on from this sorry sordid spectacle at the bottom of which I see Grondona's hand, more interested in how much more filthy lucre he can get than the sucess of the seleccion. Diego at the Copa would be a merchandising dream for him and in terms of broadcasting rights. Forget what happens to the team. The root of all things going wrong can be traced back to this out of touch dinosaur.
As usual, Albicelste2010 summarizes my exact sentiments on the REAL problem with AFA. And that isn't changing anytime soon, unless fatboy chokes on a ham sandwich like Mama Cass. And here's a very, very bad sign as far as I'm concerned, for the rational thinkers on this board: http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/futbol/copa-mundial/nota?id=1061567 This man - A Newell's legend, BTW - was available, left himself open for the shot at this DT job. But, he's decided to stay put now. Utterly ridiculous if Grondona is NOT pulling the ultimate "fast one". Which i doubt more with each passing day.
Another reason which may be obvious, but is not stated. How much did Maradona have saved after all his escapades? I bet you he probably spent it all and only had $1 million left (not much money for someone like him, mind you). And as any married man knows women cost a Sh~tload of money!!! With daughters to maintain (ok, one is married to Kun, but they have a baby - papa always shells out to help in our culture) and the ex-wife collecting alimony, not to mention the *girlfriend* (!!) whose tastes and shopping choices will only get more sophisticated ... yeah I sympathize with Maradona... he's gonna need a lot of money to keep everyone happy and pay for his own retirement... he gets paid to do what he likes (and thinks he's good at)... AFA gives him free reign for another 4 years... what more could a man want?? Would any of you leave in that position? Hell no. So what if some people don't like it? What's your problem?!? eh? I got to QFs without any tactics... it can only get better, right?.... RIGHT?!?!? 100% guaranteed - he's not leaving But according to Grondona, "the longterm projects are those that give the best results" Let's see what happen. We are just laymen.. But I seriously doubt Maradona can do this on his own. We need Batista in there... I'm hoping Batista's "maradona should continue" is a signal that he's offering to share DT with Maradona.. if Maradona accepts.
Esto ocurre solamente en Argentina. En ningún otro país existe este nivel de desorganización y desequilibrio. Ni en México adonde la mafia de su futbol es probablemente mayor que la nuestra. ¿Qué se puede hacer; seguir esperando y aguantando a estos fanáticos que elogian la incertidumbre y el fracaso como si fuera algo normal? Esto es el colmo, ya no hay forma de retroceder.
I'm not sure who should be the coach if Maradona does step down but under Basile Argentina played with players like Cambiasso, Riquelme, Zanetti combined with talented youngster but Basile was replaced after 8 matches without winning. If Basile side reached Copa final scoring 16 goals and dropped dead against Brazil, it's not hard to realize what's the real problem is.
Why don't you try thinking about the problem a little more deeply. The Copa we had a better finisher Crespo for most of the tournament, which we did not have for qualifying. That and a shaky defense was all that we lacked during qualifying under Basile. If you didn't notice, we controlled every game, had many chances, but didn't have a Crespo or Higuain or anyone like him to finish, and also at that point Messi had not yet found his amazing finishing touch that he has developed this season. So instead of sarcastically hinting that it is some kind of mental block or fault of the players, why don't you look a little bit deeper. And honestly if you need reminding of the Copa America game and the many stupid reasons that Brazil won then I won't even argue with you because you have blinded yourself of everything just to make Diego seem like a better coach.
Argentina reached copa final, they reached confederation final, they reached quarterfinal in 2006 & 2010... Pekerman, Basile, Maradona, it doesnt matter who they are but the fact is Argentina lost once they met side like Brazil & Germany. Nobody complain about Basile & Pekerman and also Maradona (during the first 4 games) until they suddenly lost against the strong side. Nobody think Bielsa is bad coach because Argentina leading the qualifier at the time but when did the team started to losing ? against England. Bielsa also led the team to copa final in 2004 and they lost to.... Brazil. Pasarella side in 1998? against Holland. It's not hard to admit that Argentina always stumble against the strong side. Think more deeply? All I could say, those fact shows everything... various coach, various generation of player, same final outcome.
Rattlehead has a point. Argentina hasn't won a "big national game" since 1991 Copa America. Yes they have won in friendlies but not in an important big tournament match against the top-10 football nations. Let's face it: 1994 was a big failure (yes, I know Maradona's loss was huge) but with that squad we should have won Romania. 1998 team actually played very solid game against the Netherlands. But we lost again. Winning England is our best achievement in national tournaments since 1991. And England is not a top-10 football nation (no matter what the FIFA rankings say). 2002 was a colossal failure. 2006 we had the game in our hands. We gave it away. In last Copa we lost very badly to very average Brazil team and played our worst game of the tournament right there. 2010 gave us one of the worst and most embarrassing beating in our World Cup history. When the big game came, these guys simply didn't have guts to win it. When I saw these guys standing there during the national anthem I immediately knew that Germany is going to win it. I'm not saying it's the only reason but there must be something mentally. Another thing... hugely successful 1986 and 1990 teams weren't nearly as talented but they were very tough squads. And they were also "defense first" squads, unlike our very attacking-minded teams since then. Maybe we should rethink about our style of playing in the short national tournament. The fact is that teams with organized defenses have been the most successful in the past 30 years. They key element of Spain winning the Cup was defense. Italy won the cup 2006 with medicore offense and great defense, etc. etc. People say that "Argentina shouldn't play like that, it's not our style of football". Really? It gave us one World Cup title and 4 years later we got to the final (and lost it only because of this dirty scumbag ref and the scandalous PK). We were the most successful football nation in the world between 1982-1991. Since then we've played very entertaining offensive football with absolutely ZERO results.
I've got to disagree with you there. What kept Spain's defense from being exposed is the fact that their midfield consistently maintained possession. They never forced shots which could lead to counters. Spain at best had a solid defense with an midfield that kept them out of hot water. I honestly could give a damn as to whom we could get as a a coach so long as it isn't Diego. I've seen people start deflecting the blame towards the players. All things being fair and the players play the game, they were not set up to succeed end of subject. I asked another poster who wouldn't answer but what did you observe from Maradona that you could hang your hat on as a positive?
What facts, you've just jumbled every team together as if they all played the same way, made the same mistakes and made the same correct decisions. The fact is they all lost yes, but for a huge variety of reasons. A hypothesis of, "well they all had the same final outcome, therefore they all had the same problem" is just completely illogical. Thats like saying, well since Spain and Argentina have both won the world cup, they must both have used the same exact plan. We got dominated 4-0 against Germany on neutral ground, able to use any of his players with a fair ref and no injuries, and under Pekerman we should have won if not for the refereeing and injuries, which were out of control of the players and had nothing to do with their mental state. How can you possibly conclude from that, that Diego did anything correctly. That is such a huge decrease in form that it is impossible to overlook. Think a little harder, the same outcome does not mean the same paths to get to that outcome!!! It's like 1st grade logic here
Spain just won the cup with the same exact style that Argentina used in 2006, except with less finishing? They defended by keeping the ball just like we did until we got screwed over by our coach, a bad injury, and bad refereeing. It is purely luck that that happened to us, and it could have just as easily happened to Spain. Also we did not really play attacking this time around, it was more chaotic and hope Messi can create some magic for our forwards. We had no midfield to maintain good possession like in 2006. There was simply no style. Our 2006 team was the best team of the tournament, and we lost because of refereeing and injuries, how can you possibly blame it on the mentality.
I'm very happy I'm not the only one who could see it this way and that particular sentence, that's exactly how I felt that day. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ftbzWS5G8"]YouTube- Germany vs. Argentina (March 03, 2010) - National anthems[/ame] I'm never say maradona is a great coach, I'm just saying that the final outcome has always been the same in last 17 years regardless who's on charge. with good coach = played well and lost at group stage with great coach = played well and lost in QF with inexperience and arrogant coach = played well and lost in QF How are you going to blame on coach coach and coach?! If Maradona will be replace, no matter who the new coach is, I'm still supporting Argentina .. Myself think Maradona SHOULD be replace but part of me think that regardless who's the new coach the final outcome is most likely the same. Argentina is playing for thropy not just having 2 or 3 memorable victory and stumble when it matter. the 90's squad was very tough mentally.. beaten by Cameroon in first match then eliminated Brazil. Diego missed his penalty and they still won it, Italy scored first they answered back... during penalty shootout Diego was never affected by previous fail, Olarctichoea was chewing bubblegum like it was a practice. In 86 final Germany fought back but they killed the game few mins later. Argentina is successfull football nation, they won 12 copa prior to 1978 and they went on to add 2 world cups, 2 copa and a confederation title. They shouldnt feel inferior to anyone.
first you said "you've just jumbled every team together as if they all played the same way" and then you said "We got dominated 4-0 against Germany on neutral ground, able to use any of his players with a fair ref and no injuries, and under Pekerman we should have won if not for the refereeing and injuries" Pekerman played against 2006 Germany, you think this 2010 team is exactly the same? Pekerman would win it conviencingly? Pekerman subbed Riquelme & Crespo before Pato's injury. He already made huge mistake before that incident.