SF Analysis: URU-NED - Irmatov (UZB)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2010: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jul 5, 2010.

  1. JohnW

    JohnW Member

    Apr 27, 2001
    St. Paul
    I thought he did a good job, although Von Bommel should have gotten yellow for running over the Uruguayan player. He (Von Bommel) is a dirty ********.

    Anyone want to comment on how long the extra time went? I assume some time added for the goal scored, but it seemed like well beyond 4+ minutes.
     
  2. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    When are you people going to get it...THE ATR DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD CUP!!!
     
  3. rippingood

    rippingood Member

    Feb 13, 2004
    LosAngeles
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thx - forgot about that... I was thinking of Saurez but that was a red.

    oh wait - what about Muller? in the QF and one before, so out of the SF
     
  4. AAGunner3

    AAGunner3 Member

    Feb 14, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure it was for the stalling and caution in extra time...
     
  5. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How slow must it be to see it go thru the offside guy's legs?
     
  6. jayhonk

    jayhonk Member+

    Oct 9, 2007
    For better worse, in the second half it looked like he let alot of fouls go uncalled.
     
  7. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    Bingo.
     
  8. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    yellow card counts were wiped out. the results of accumulation weren't.
     
  9. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    True, but it never looks good when the referee appears to miss an easy caution and then gives one shortly thereafter for something that is not readily apparent to the audience. I don't know if the caution he finally gave Van Bommel was actually justified, or if the referee kinda made something up because he knew he missed the obvious one earlier.
     
  10. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    Full credit to you for once again coming up with the most ludicrous, unlikely understanding of what might have happened.
     
  11. dadcoachref

    dadcoachref BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 30, 2007
    Crosby
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMO yes

    IMO yes

    ...very close and very tough call to make in real time...
     
  12. rippingood

    rippingood Member

    Feb 13, 2004
    LosAngeles
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah - misfiring neurons...
     
  13. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    Ok I just saw the replay of the 2nd Dutch goal again. Seemed like the "offside" player did have a leg offside (hard to call at real speed though), and he did seem to be moving out of the way. The GK seemed to be delayed due to the multiple deflections off his defenders, not the offside attacker. In the end, I think this will be looked upon as a correct call, especially when they keep drilling us that we want attacking/scoring soccer.
     
  14. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    Thanks buddy. I am aware of it. Do you really think I don't know tha? The point is that the USSF's guidance is supposed to follow and not be in conflict with FIFA's guidance. So if the ATR says something, it is safe to assume that FIFA do NOT disagree with it. Yes, it is a bit of extrapolation if you will, but it is far from meaningless.
     
  15. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    USSF can't do anything right though...so why should their expertise be of any use to anyone?
     
  16. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So was the call vs McBride on the DMB goal in 06 wrong?? Because, IIRC, it was defended here.....
     
  17. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    If the referee really meant to announce 3 minutes, which is what was shown on the ESPN broadcast, then it seems like 'too much' time was played. It ended up being almost 5 minutes, which seems like more than was needed to add time on for the things that happened during the 3 minutes (the caution, one minor injury, etc). But, if someone were to go back and add it all up, it might jive.

    The 3 minutes is a MINIMUM. So, although most international matches will end pretty close to 3 minutes in, it is within the referee's rights to announce 3 minutes when he might really be thinking 3:30.
     
  18. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    That is your opinion, not mine.
     
  19. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    There was a caution and a goal and an injury and some general time wastage. So there was more time added.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't remember them being the same. I'm trying to find a video of the goal, though.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Enough, LiquidYogi. You've been warned repeatedly. People have complained repeatedly. You are unnecessarily antagonistic. The discussion of the offside decision has nothing to do with whether vhatever could call it in real-time and all of your responses border on personal attacks. And this response to Lloyd Helliburn is completely unnecessary. He's trying to figure out what the proper ruling is.

    We are here analyzing the performances of the officials. They are public figures and these are massive matches. If you don't like the fact that this is what the forum is for, then you can choose not to participate. It's as simple as that.
     
  22. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Alright boss I'm leaving...everyone in here is a better referee than anyone at the World Cup anyways...with tons of big game experience lets all remember that.
     
  23. rippingood

    rippingood Member

    Feb 13, 2004
    LosAngeles
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it's happy hour somewhere...
     
  24. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    You need to show some maturity on these forums. You spoil things for others with your rudeness.
     
  25. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My thoughts: OVERALL good job. Absolutely agree vonBommel should have seen Yellow much earlier.

    Amazing that all three Dutch goals came off the post!

    After 4 reviews of the second goal. vanPersie was OFFSIDE, but did not interfere with the defender - who was trying to put him offside. He did not interfere with the keeper since he was on the far side of the ball when he moved to get out of the way. He did not touch the ball. GOOD GOAL!
     

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