The current German NT is a model for sure . Along with hunger , no egos ect .. The german players actually look happy about wearing their national jersey .
I would agree, as one poster said, that singing La marseillaise SHOULD be a criterion. I dont care what you can think about the lyrics, until we changed it (and I am not for a change), it is our national anthem and it is supposed to be sung. I dont think that Evra, Abidal, Gallas, Ribery and Anelka should come anywhere close the the French NT. At least, not before a long time. About the capitaincy, Lloris would be a decent idea. When you dont know where to put it, the goalkeeper is always a good option. Despite a mediocre WC for him, he seems to be one of the few cold-minded players. A good idea would be to recall Flamini. A real fighter. You may call me crazy but I have never ever liked Toulalan as a midfielder. He is even more limited than a Makelele. I would prefer a Lassana Diarra + Flamini (if he ever regains his form).
American with some thoughts where I'm sure you can agree with me. Drop all the old/trouble makers. Ribbery, Evra, Gavou, Anelka, Gallas, Henry, etc.. Start fresh with a crop of players that wants to play and play hard. France has enough talent to drop 3/4 of the current NT team..
i think we've seen the last of several of the french players on the international stage. even if all of the scandals and such hadn't happend, i think this was the last tournament for several of the players. so i don't expect to see guys like henry, gallas, anelka, etc anymore. and it'll be a good thing for the france national team.
My team for the next game if everyone is fit would be as follows. ................................1 Lloris...................................... 2..Sagna.................3 Squillaci.........4.Koscielny....5 Cissokho. ............................6 Lass........7 Nasri.............................. 8..Ben arfa.............9 Gourcuff.............................10 Ribery... ...............................11 Benzema. You are going to ask why because this line up is the best the french team can have at least as 11 starting and yes ribery is still there because there is no one better than him in france at the moment. With this formation we would be able to keep the ball a lot better and if gourcuff is not working then replace him with diaby or alou and push nasri in a free role,i can see the france next generation being able to do very well together.
there's been some talk about only selecting players that play in ligue 1 similar to how the germans only selected players from the bundesliga. i wonder if that would be a good idea.
Bad idea! It's not like Germany has a bunch of foreign based players, France does especially most of their better ones.
you're right... right now. but if we really did it that way it might help L1 keep more players, at least those who consider the NT important. that combined with the stadium fallout from 2016 could put us in a posture very similar to the Mannschaft/Bundesliga, and especially in the coming age of fiscal conservatism that posture may prove dominant on the european stage.
1. Lloris - YES what else? 2. Sagna - NO he's had all the chances he needed and has shown he's just not good enough. i don't know who's better but there are several who deserve a chance. 3. Squillaci - YES professional, consistent, all the tools... i could go on. 4. Koscielny - NO being good enough to attract wenger's attention doesn't make him a starter for france (or even arse) illico. if anything this kind of parachutage is the LAST thing he needs. 5. Cissokho - YES he's got it! yeah baby, he's got it! 6. Lass - MAYBE it depends on the schema lolo puts together, but he's never really lit it up to the point that you build a MF around him. 7. Nasri - MAYBE the talent is there and the attitude is workable. 8.Ben Arfa - NO the talent often goes missing and the attitude is irretrievable. 9. Gourcuff - YES in one role or another this is a man we CAN build a MF around. 10. Ribery - NO his problems go far beyond the recent goings on, he's certifiably bonkers. if he made la pluie et le beau temps like at bayern i could understand, but he hasn't done a thing in bleu since chirac was president. 11. Benzema - YES tactical criticism n°1 that can be levelled at raymundo: "why persist in putting nico on point when it's clear he won't have it? " well, WHO ELSE DID HE HAVE? as wild as it sounds, a nation with arguably as much raw talent as any has an abysmal lack of quality 9's. so KB it must be. the one player missing here that can brook no argument is toulalan. to start with, leaving off the one player who never, never, never makes a fuss and always, always, ALWAYS leaves it all on the field sends a message diametrically opposed to what's necessary. on the field, i can follow the argument that he's a limited midfielder (though i maintain that even with those limitations his contribution is enormous)... but in that case put him in defense, but for god's sake have him on the field.
Ribery was good at the world cup and soon after that the manager started picking the wrong players in the 2 biggest tournaments that followed. I agree on sagna but who is there and is better,ben arfa under the right manager would be wicked because unlike both malouda and govou he can keep the ball in tight situations,also he is quicker than both and a better dribbler and as long as he can be well guided he would be a good team player.
better than sagna? fanni, reveillere, debuchy has played there... even chalme whom i hate could bring more. sagna is an out and out pile of pants in my book. ben arfa? for the pocket handkerchief work there's nasri and you don't need a fieldful of that. the right manager you say? there's no manager in the world that right.
well, the problem with that is there just aren't that many top german players that are playing abroad as opposed to the french.
that's true now but look at just a sample starting 11: lloris fanni - rami - planus - cissokho diarra - toulalan - gourcuff briand - gignac - rémy add ciani, trémoulinas, gameiro, cabaye, valbuena, cheyrou, sissoko... not la roja certainly, but more than capable of getting though a WC group... unlike others who will remain nameless and the longer the better! plenty of other quality players only dream about caps now but i swear would they have done us a helluva lot prouder in SA: balmont, mavuba, debuchy, hoarau... i'm not trying to sell this idea at all costs but i see multiple merits in it. germany is not the exception in having most of their NT play domestically: in fact among the 5 "big" european leagues france is the exception. there's a financial element you can't disregard, but beside the fact that this may wane in the next few years, the scenario less money > weaker league > NT plays abroad is not linear but circular. cutting the dynamic at any point can bring a change in the whole process.
true. but in 4 years' time, there's a good chance that several or many of those players will be in other leagues. i understand the idea behind it and think there is some merit to it. but it just might not be possible to do in 4 years' time.
But how many Dutch players ply their trade in the Dutch Eredivisie? I think they are a perfect example of what the EdF can become..again.
No egos? Two words. "Lukas Podolski." He's enough of an ego that Bayern sold him and kept Ribery. Poldi shoots too much and passes too little. But Löw got him to pass more often and to run and play defense. Poldi listens and stays on the German team mostly because he wants to play well for Germany -- and he scores goals for them -- not because it's all sunshine and unicorns with the squad. The German team works because Löw is a competent manager and they all believe that they can work well together and win with him in charge. No reason why France can't win with Ribery in the squad now that they have a competent manager.
England is a perfect example that it doesn't matter if a large majority of the squad play in the same league. What matters is the teams attitude and the coach, both of which go hand in hand.
Why ? Screw them if they don't want to fight for their place in the EdF . It's funny , because everybody claims France naturalises players when it's not the case . But nothing is said when countries like Portugal , Poland ( Obraniak ) actually do it . Maybe we should take some Argentines of french descent on our NT . Pablo MOUCHE
Yea really. If they'd rather represent someone else so be it. I don't think Aly will want to, neither will Kos, he just got on the scene it's natural he hasn't got a legitimate shot yet. Gameiro might option to play for Portugal but I see him getting a call up soon so unless he refuses it, this will be a moot point.
I'm just against the idea of capping a player so that he's not eligible for another NT . If a player truly wants to play for a certain NT , they'll wait for their chance . Not whore themselves out to as many choices as possible . Take Adil Rami for example . He's made it real clear France is in his heart , despite not making the full team .
you cant compare the EPL to Ligue 1. English players would continue to play in England even if they had basest mercenary instincts simply because thats where all the money is. in contrast, talented players who stay in Ligue 1 arent doing it for the glory and the $$. It shows a different attitude towards the game.
Yea they're doing it because no high profile team has wanted to scoop them up yet. How many talented players in ligue1 have turned down an offer from a English or Spanish club?