Match 58 (QF) - Uruguay v Ghana - Post-Match Thread [R]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTmbZvmsDL4"]YouTube- 2006 World Cup Group E Italy v USA[/ame]
About 5:07

 

If he does not interfere with play than no, he is not offside. Appiah come back onside before the ball was played again. So he can not be offside after first play.

Sometime the referee can call this as indirect interferiing with play, but it is up to him. In this case vast majority would not call offside.

People ignorant like nlsaland do not understand this and take stupid stuff. Does not change fact that:
a) Appiah was passive offside in first play and a no call is just decision;
b) Appiah came back onside between first play and second play;
c) Muslera passed the ball on second play and reset offside;
d) Appiah may or may not be offside on second play, but even shot-stop is inconclusive - in one shot he is onside, in another he is offside. Given footage at exact moment of touch it is impossible to say.
e) In situation d) the assistant referee normally gives benefit of doubt.

Funny people not attack Uruguay for the offside goal against South Africa... That offside was obvious.

 

why is he wrongly being called a hero? this is not the first time such an instance has occured, its just the first time the guy has choked from the penalty.

its like if a guy is clear on goal and the goalie fouls him, should that also be a a free goal?

honestly why should we change the rules? the rules are fine. the ghana player choked end of story. he is the only person to blame, not the ref, not suarez, not FIFA, only Gyan.

 

We should change the rules so people that dont know how to play football and never won anything can improve .
Fans like these are killing the game, from now on... everytime someone does a foul or an offside we should ban them for life because thats also breaking the rules.

 

this is exactly why i don't care about football becoming big here in the US. people who know nothing ramble about things over their heads as if they know everything and as if they have some moral superiority or some BS...

yea because no NFL player has ever held or interfered and got away with... no NBA player has ever flopped to win a charge... Kobe has never thrown himself into a defender to win a free throw... Lebron has never taken 5 steps on his "crab dribble" or whatever the hell he calls it. No MLB player has ever taken steroids or corked a bat...

going to work is torture having to listen to this crap, this is why i want to make my point on these forums.

 

lol

If you are taking adventage of you offside position the referee should call offside. I think this first is clearly the case of Appiah, who was offside and take adventage of his position coming back (by the way I dont saw he comebacks completely). If you are trying to participate or you could take attention of defenders or if you are blocking the vision of Gk the ref should be call offside too. The most advanced part of the body with you can score is considered the line (Appia Right Foot) and he is not in the same line that Suarez.

And not forget that 121 minute foul even doesent exist.

 

Just because you bring up another scenario that requires analysis does not mean the handball issue is put to rest. Come up with a complete scenario that matches the handball incident and then I could respond.

Except that the goal was already scored on the prior play since it the only way it could be stopped was by use of the hand. Remember the 100% certainity aspect. Most plays in soccer do not possess a 100% certain, so they really can't be compared to the final play of the game.

 

Appiah received the ball off the rebound from the initial Ghanaian header. Therefore, he was offside when the ball was played to him by his teammate. Appiah did kick the ball. There's no argument, it was offsides.

 

This was not a pass. It was a deflection. No ref in the world would call it an intentional pass, given that Adiyah was pressuring him. It's exactly like a rebound on a shot. The offsides is determined is based on where the player was when the shot (the initial flick in this case) occurred.

Go take a look in the reffing form and see what they have to say about this. I'm not making this up.

Now seriously, don't make shit up about me. You have shown yourself to have no knowledge of the rules either offsides or tactical fouls. You're just some guy who got drunk and watched the Ghana game, and was pissed off your team lost.

 

He's not saying that there is nothing wrong with it. He is saying that the hype is due to their inexperience and culture.
And I agree.

 

Agreed, but it's still the law for now, and was followed to a T with both Kewell and Suarez handballs, why increase the law for Suarez if all DOGSO are punishable by red cards and a PK(in the box)?

 

...really? You don't remember the goal they called back on us?

 

Thus, the goal was not already scored. There was no goal. It's undeniable there would have been, but would have beens do not count here. There was no goal and it should not be treated like there was.

 

there would have been not foul in 121 minute and there would have been appiah offside. But like you said would have beens do not count here.

 

Yes, it is. Really, nobody cares. The rules were actually followed. he got caught. he was penalized. he will not play. He was ejected. It's not like he got away with it (Henry, Maradona).

What part of that do you not get?

 

Comparisons aside, do you honestly think that refs won't screw this call up more than they will get it right if the rules were changed?

The rules are not designed to have exact "eye for an eye" punishments. Why is one necessary here?

 

Funny Story, I filmed my dad watching the 2006 games to get his reactions whenever Italy scored a goal. That is what I remember most about the 2006 games.

 

Not to get off topic, but I really find parts of the off side rule offensive. Once a offensive player has established their position, it seems strange that a defender can force the offensive player to move by simply moving up the field.

Or that a defender can move up the field to prevent a breakaway launch from occurring. It's as if lazyness wins out over hard work, and soccer doesn't have a lot of scoring to begin with.

To quote a baseball term, "maybe its time to lower the mound" and make the offsides rule more simplified and less restrictive.

 

This is football, not baseball. He is clearly offside and one of the skills a defender should have is the ability to take a step forward to let the other player in offside.
Any other rule to change ?

 

lol, that is not a skill. That is namby pamby ball. Call it puppetball if you will.
You force the other team to move back because you move forward? In sports?

Try that outside the stadium when people are trying to get in to see the game. Call the impatient fans offsides and see what happens.

 

Yeah, cuz otherwise, you would have guys hanging around the net, and it would totally change the game..... for the worse. The game is just fine as it is. Play it. Enjoy it. Live it. Leave it!

 

What a ridiculous argument.