In a game, the ball is shot at goal, the keeper climbs the post and knocks the ball away. I can see a yellow card to the keeper but what is the restart? Thanks.
Indirect free kick, at the top of the 6 yard box, nearest where the offense occurred. It's the same if you use a teammate to propel you upwards.
agreed... but where would a keeper need to climb a post to block anything? If my keeper has to climb a post, I've got the wrong player in the net.
Strange heh? It's my daughter's HS keeper. She was moving toward the post and the ball was heading toward the upper corner, probably out of her reach. She did that out of impulse I guess.
Could be a red card for DOGSO. USSF/FIFA DOGSO also includes infractions which result in an IFK. MISCONDUCT BY GOALKEEPER (HANGING ON/MOVING THE GOAL) September 14, 2009 Question: I was involved in an interesting conversation last weekend at a youth tournament. Here is the scenario: The ball is passed/shot towards the goal. The ball appears to be going over the cross bar. The goal is a not of the strong variety. As the ball is approaching, the goalkeeper jumps and grabs the crossbar (causing the bar to dip) as the ball goes into touch. If the goalkeeper had not held onto the crossbar the ball would have made contact and might have stayed in play. There are now two questions: #1 Should the goalkeeper be given a yellow card for Unsporting Behavior for bringing the game in disrepute for hanging on the crossbar? #2 What should the restart be? *goal kick since the attacking team played the ball out of bounds *drop ball because of the goalkeepers action for hanging on the crossbar Thank you for taking the time to read my question. Why has the “ask the referee” link been removed from the website? It was my favorite thing to read. USSF answer (September 14, 2009): 1. Caution to the goalkeeper for unsporting behavior. 2. Restart with an indirect free kick for the opposing team on the goal area line at the point nearest to where the goalkeeper committed the unsporting behavior. If the referee needs to do more to promote his/her control of the game, the goalkeeper could also be dismissed for denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offense punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick — in this case the indirect free kick for the misconduct. The U. S. Soccer Federation’s website is being rebuilt. Ask A Referee will return in the fullness of time. Meanwhile you can find all the current and past questions and answers at http://www.askasoccerreferee.com . NFHS rules which govern HS play mandate that the foul be one which results in a DFK in order to send-off the player for DOGSO, which falls under SFP in that rule set.
I just want to confirm I read you right. This was an IFK foul, could it result in a sending off? You use the word mandate. Does it mean it requires a send off or is it at the discretion of the ref?
Again the USSF is just a terrible organization and they're wrong about this according to every FIFA that has held a clinic and has asked this very question.
Different rule codes means that different decisions are proper. 1. Club soccer matches played under FIFA/USSF LOTG: it is permissible for a player to be sent-off for committing an infraction which results in an IFK if that infraction denies an obvious goal scoring opportunity. 2. High school games played under the authority of the NFHS rules: in order to red-card a player for denying an obvious opportunity to score, the foul committed MUST be one which results in a DFK or PK. The NFHS rules specify this, and so it is NOT permissible to red card a player under these circumstances for an offense which results in an IFK. Since the play in your daughter's game took place during a HS game, the GK could NOT have been red-carded. The HS rules don't allow for it. I hope that clarifies this for you.
No, he means USSF as he wrote. His contention is that the USSF has this interpretation wrong. He is arguing that the USSF stance does not match with that of FIFA and so is null and void. I don't recall seeing anything from FIFA on this which is crystal clear. Therefore, I have a difficult time with LY saying that the USSF is wrong. It is unclear at best. If someone can produce a play ruling from FIFA (perhaps an old Q&A) providing a ruling on a GK hanging from the crossbar to block a shot that would be helpful, but I couldn't find one when preparing my earlier post.
No I meant the USSF. It's been discussed before and it's pretty obvious that they're failing the game and their referees. They were noted a long time ago for their inept passing of inept referees and for firing assessors who would fail their referees when they ignored the Law. They're just not a good organization, and I feel they should be completely overhauled, what Hall is doing is admirable but it isn't enough. We've also documented on this forum how awful NFHS is in there refusal to just accept the laws of the game. That doesn't bother me as much though since when I ref it it's like indoor. It's just a place where lower level players play for fun and school spirit. When you have really pro players there, they don't necessarily take it all that seriously, what they take seriously is their club play. As a referee I do my job there as best I can in a crappy two man system, I take it seriously but it's not to the level of Premier club.
I'm just grumping about the USSF as usual is all. Also I remember this being brought up several times as a question posed by Toros, and at a talk headed by the Egyptian referee who did a WC semi final. They've always said it should be a yellow card and an Indirect free kick. If that's changed fine, but I don't trust some USSF guy over them.
Found it. ------------------------ http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/?p=1196 The answer is also found in FIFA training materials from 2006: Denying a Goal or a Goal-Scoring Opportunity It is not necessary that the offense which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity be a direct free kick foul - It could be an indirect free kick foul (dangerous play) - It could also be misconduct • Example: goalkeeper bends the crossbar down far enough that the ball does not go into the net • Example: a substitute illegally enters the field and trips an attacker who has a clear shot on goal • Example: a defender uses the shoulders of a teammate to lift himself higher to head the ball away
For safety reasons players are not allowed to toss each other into the air or climb on the goals or jump off of them.
I've just conclusively proven using both USSF and FIFA documentation that actions such as what the OP described can result in a send off. That was the point.
Yogi: I see.... Been AWOL from the forums for a while and in all my years haven't progressed up the ranks to have encountered such issues within USSF.
I have removed some of the banter between Liquid Yogi and MrRC. Please keep the discussion soccer related and drop the personal comments. If you feel the urge to respond to personal comments, please refrain and report any posts that you don't think belong in this forum. THANKS.
thank you for saying that. it was getting out of control. The way I approach these forums is if we wouldnt say these things in a clinic or meeting, then we shouldnt say them on there. On a lighter note, will you be in muscatine at the end of july for the showcase. I will be coming from illinois
I'm not saying MrRC is wrong, as he very well may be right, but to me this rule has seemed to be part of the spirit of the game idea. Jumping up to block a goal is how the game is played, but propelling yourself off some one else to block a goal is not. That kind of thing. There's been a recent thread about odd circumstances like catching the ball under your shirt and running with it. While the player doing this may not be literally handling the ball with their hands, it is contrary to the spirit of the game and is a handling offense.
I'm not going to Muscatine. Muscatine is a beautiful complex. Hope they don't have any water issues! Good luck.
Awesome! I think I've make it into the FIFA training materials! A decade ago or so, I asked Jim Allen about whether a keeper who pulls down a portable goal thus preventing a goal could be sent off for DGF. I believe the USSF eventually asked IFAB and here we are...