Argentina vs. Germany (Quarter Finals) - July 3, 2010 [R]

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I'm German and live in Germany and I haven't heard a single person say this. Of course, we want to win!

 

As an Argentina fan for 31 years, I still love and respect Diego, and want him to continue on as coach.

 

That's all very well but we just defended abysmally at the first set piece and did not use the right players in the right positions and then were suckered on the counter. That's not down to their analysis just poor play on our part.

You can over analyze things and if we'd operated as a unit from back to front and vice versa our superior skill set should have come through.

 

So you didn't consider 06 a failure?

 

When i read this, i feel like you deserve to be out of WC for supporting someone who has never won anything as a coach, but that is not fair, because there are a LOT of people in Argentina who'd never drank the Grondona-Maradona-Veron kool-aid.

It is just crazy that anyone can be so blind and not realize maradona is the main architect of this failure.
If Basile was fired because he lost to Chile in Santiago, Diego should have been fired for that 6-1 in La Paz..
Did anyone ever think that you could have gone through an entire world cup with mediocre players like Dimichelis, Otamendi, Jonas Gutierrez etc, not making game-costing mistakes?

The results of the qualifiers were no mistake.
It was just a matter of time before you encountered a strong team who took apart that awful defense..

 

This is mostly a venting.

I cannot believe I let myself be caught in the moment and actually believe that we had a chance with this man as coach. I had earlier posted that I thought we would have an easy time with the Germans because Diego had been using the correct formations, but when I saw that we were starting the same midfield as against Mexico I knew it was over.

Today showed that we had come this far only on luck and individual skill and I can only say that I wish it happened a lot sooner, way before the cup started or at least in the first round. It was a waste of four years of build up and perhaps the biggest waste of such a talented generation.

It also showed more than ever the mistakes that Maradona made in his selections. His first choices Jonas and Veron, he eventually realized were not good enough to be at the world cup, so he was forced to use his back ups like Otamendi. Otamendi was dominated and they attacked him over and over. I can only wonder what would have happened with Zanetti in his rightful place.

The central midfield was nonexistant. Again Riquelme was needed more than anything else to control the game. We had no control of the game, sure we had some decent possession but we did nothing with it. We had nobody to distribute the ball or to take pressure off of Messi.

Messi worked harder than anyone today and showed the most heart. Simply the problem was Diego giving him too much to do. He had to be the center attacking mid as well as the forward. It was sad to watch him try so hard only to be stopped because of his positioning.

Speaking of working hard, where are the people that believed this team had what our past teams did not? Passion, balls, whatever you want to call it. This team did not have that and surely had not even a tenth of what we had in 2006 when we went down fighting. Today we went down on our knees begging for the game to be over. I couldn't even watch the end of the game.

I didn't cry this time as I did in 2006 when we lost. I dont know if it was because I didn't feel cheated this time for the loss, or because I expected something like this to happen and it was only a matter of time. There are no excuses for a loss like this. Maradona takes all the blame and if he had dignity he would have quit right after the game. People including myself were blinded by results. We thought he was actually improving as a coach when he was the same guy doing the same things and our players were just so good that they were able to win without a coach. Only against a strong team did it finally show how bad he was.

Losing 1-0 for almost 70 minutes before it takes a second goal to make him finally use a substitute? We had no tactics out there, nobody moved into space, there was no creativity in the midfield to cut holes in their defense. It was simply pathetic and a waste of my time. I will not support this if he remains as coach, I will not watch another game.

 

man there is so much garbage being posted in this thread... Argentina lost because that is how futbol is,... you win some you loose some... by some of the trash i've read, i can tell some cats have never played more than a pick up game, watched a couple of games and are talking about what maradona should have done.... please!
germany came out with a plan and were able to execute it thanks to that early goal... Otamendi made and error and never recovered... I'm sure maradona knows what errors he's made and he will live with them, just like i'm sure alot of the negative nancy posters don't have a clue about futbol!
viva argentina ************!!!!

 

Not at all, 2006 and 2010 are great successes.

Wow, seriously? Well if this is really how you guys feel here, there's not much I can say. Again, good game and best of luck in the future.

 

I also said before this game started that Gutierrez should of definitley started on the left mid for Di Maria or Maxi because he would of helped stop the counter like he did very well in the friendly with them a few months ago, I also think Pastore should've started this game, letting messi play more forward, and Samuel shouldve freakins started!!! COuldn't of stressed this more, i know this is no time for putting up lineups, but i really tihnk this team would've done better

------Otamendi/burdisso-------Demichellis---Samuel------Heinze--------
--------------------------------Mascherano---------------------------
---------------Pastore---------------------------Gutierrez-------------
---------------------------------Messi---------------------------------
-----------------------Tevez---------Higuain--------------------------

 

that is true.but you should blame messi for cambiasso not being called,and zanetti wasn't called because he changed maradona formation and tactics in one game and never got called up again.and if zanetti was here he would adjust formation on the field,and arg. would have a chance.lahm and bastian wouldn't be doing what they were doing if zanetti was on the field lets not even talk about cambiasso

 

i am not argentinian but why is nobody talking about millito i bet he would have been better option as lone striker on top then higuain.maradona was trying to play italia formation from 2006 world cup but benched milito who is much more similar to toni or gila

 

Copa America is in Argentina next year. Due or die for us, b/c I don't think anyone is taking the trophy away from the Brasilians in '14

 

apparently Zanetti and Cambiasso weren't called because they don't get along with Veron, and Veron was a "must-have" player for Maradona.
So he had to pick between Veron or Zanetti and Cambiasso.

The funny thing is that in the end, Veron ended up not playing, because he apparently had a falling out with Diego.. probably over strategy (or lack there of)

 

look at the germans record in the world cup and the euros going back to 1954. they are a truly remarkable people.

 

in the the sport yes.

 

We were dominated by a superior team playing confident attacking football with good technique and creativity. I am not as angry as in 06 simply because we didn't deserve to win this one.

Maradona made major tactical mistakes and he should have changed the shape at halftime by inserting another midfielder, he doesn't make the change and waits till I think the 70th minute to bring on Pastore, but Pastore ends up as an attacking player, when we really needed a midfielder in the middle to keep and maintain possession.

I had thought for a few months that Germany the favorite and I think Spain is not going to have a fun game.

 

why do these people, the germans, so consistently go deep into tounaments, time after time after time? how can this be? it does not make sense to me. even when they have a "bad" team (1996, 2002, for example) they make deep runs into tournaments. i don't understand how they can do this repeatedly when others (england, for example) can not. the german league is not better than the premiership, not even close.

 

Bayern M. vs Man. Utd.?

 

most people don't believe that the better team won that tie. and if you look at the record of english clubs in europe overtthe last ten years vs german clubs it is quite obvious what league is better.

 

I respect your loyalty and passion, but unfortunately your national side will never achieve what it is capable of as long as Maradona is manager. I am surprised he did not sub himself in the secondo tempo. No insult intended, but he is viewed as a clown to many and does not give your great national squad a good image that it deserves and has earned. I was saddened by today's result. I wanted Argentina to win the World Cup after my Azzurri went home in disgrace. Sack Diego, amici.

 

Cambiasso was a regular player for Argentina throughout the 06' World Cup, the 07' Copa America and the first part of the WCQ's. He never came close to reproducing his club form for country.

People like to judge without actually having followed the side. Cambiasso is an underachiever for Argentina. Same as Lucho Gonzalez who won the league in Portugal then went to France and won the league there as well. Excellent player for club, crap for country.

Same as Milito who you mentioned below.

Milito has been crap for Argentina when given the chance to play. Higuain deserved that spot no questions asked.

 

This came close:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lvow3lLjz8&feature=related"]YouTube- 25 toques Gol Mundial Cambiasso 16-06-2006[/ame]