Match 58 (QF) - Uruguay v Ghana - Post-Match Thread [R]

First of all, if anything its rotten to the core. Second of all, UEFA soccer players are no angels either. Truth of the matter is any one player would be proud to do what Suarez did. So kindly, step away from insulting South American soccer just because it is mopping the floor with every other league. Don't be jealous. Thanks.

 

It's unfair, Henry's handball determined who would go to South Africa and be embarrassed, France and a whole nation Ireland were denied, a lot of the World Cup really is rotten, the officiating blunders, the diving and time wasting. But it draws your attention and often you have to watch it but I have skipped a number of matches because I'm fed up with Fifa Football/soccer but not with soccer in general. Someone needs to run better tournaments because Fifa doesn't.

 

Henry tried to get away with something illegal and did. Suarez did something illegal and accepted his lumps.

 

It's moreso the fact he was running about laughing after Ghana missed the penalty as he was walking off. Like he had done something heroic hanballing it.

Technically he is correct. But he could have at least shown some CLASS.

It was just sick to the core in my opinion and a disgrace to the game.

 

It's a question of intent. Maradona tried to conceal his action and in reality even if caught there was no serious consequence. Yellow card? Pfffft, he would just use that to cut his coke after the match.

Suarez did not conceal the action. It was right out in the open. He knew it was a red card and would be a penalty.

 

No, the dumb ones would forget to.

 

Don't put down South America, '90 Italia, watch Colombia vs. West Germany, you could not find a more sporting team. A person from Chile has discussed how disappointed he was with the call. No, don't make generalizations.

 

The guy was literally crying in the tunnel a few seconds before the kick. If you want to eliminate emotion from the game, good luck. Maybe you can link up with the fans in the U.S. Men forum who are mad at Rossi for celebrating a goal. Call up Roger Goodell, he's got some good ideas.

 

Yeah, I can agree with that.

 

You should just stop there and quit generalizing. You are talking straight out of your pompous ass.

 

The Brasillian guy I quoted pretty much accepted that it was part of the culture in South America.

Ok, it may be a generalisation, for which I apologise. But IMO you do see these things (gamesmanship, strategic cheating) more often from South American teams/players. I'm almost certain it isn't seen as much of a bad thing on the continent as it is elsewhere.

 

It doesn't matter. They both did the same thing. Suarez certainly would not have volunteered himself off the pitch if the ref didn't send him off.

If Suarez is not made a pariah for this, neither should Henry. In Henry's case, the ref should have taken all of the blame. But the media tends to focus on the player, and so Henry was made out to be the "cheater."

 

I hardly see Suarez as a hero, but what he did isn't particularly despicable. It happens not infrequently in the game. I've seen it happen on a number of occasions in the EPL in the last couple years, for example.

I don't think there's anything particularly "South American" about. Maybe glorifying the action, but not Suarez actually doing it.

 

It's less cultural than the strange time warp soccer is stuck in. It's 1954 any more. We're not watching these games on fuzzy black and white TVs with bad receptions and static. It's all HD, 3D....All the flaws, officiating mistakes, diving and bullshit is there on a giant flat screens in digital color.

The refs called the hand ball right according to the rules. I can't argue on that. It's all the other BS that happens. The foul that set up free kick prior to the handball looked like a dive. I could be wrong, but Ghana should never had had a chance to win the game that way.

Soccer needs to find a way out of the Eisenhower era. Goal line tech would be a good start. Maybe an extra official behind each goal. I don't want to see this turned into American football, but something should be done.

 

Suarez cheated, that's why he got a red card and there was a penalty on Ghana's favour...

Oh wait...

 

To be honest, there's probably some truth in what you say, but this isn't really an example. This is just a smart play. That's it. That's all it was. So if anythign, are you criticizing a smart play?

 

Just bury the PK and Ghana wins.

 

It's an act cheating and nothing less. Just because he didn't have to con the ref it doesn't make him any less a cheat.

The rules need changing to make the punishment for such an action greater than the gain. It's as simple as that. The current choice of either having to face a certain one game ban or your team facing certain elimination from the World Cup is not good enough.

But I just hate him, actually hate him.

Not just for the handball, but for the diving, for the niggling, and most of all for his face. Seriously, he looks like he'd be that kid at school, the one who ran to the teacher all the time.

Don't mind Uruguay, but he really gets on my nerves.

 

Ghana is being punished by even having to take a PK as it was going IN.

I would want that rule changed whereby a goal is given if blocked off the line by a hand.

 

Just to be clear, Suarez clearly did attempt to make it seem as if nothing had happened. When the ref called him out, he had his "why me, I didn't do anything" face.

He's no different than Henry or Maradona. The difference here is the ref.

 

I see a huge difference in creating goal scoring opportunities vs. preventing them. Fouling is always about denying an opportunity. There is a system in place to punish these denial of opportunity. Players act based on reward vs. punishment on defense. This is the principle of the tactical foul.

Players who cheat on offense do so with no impunity. That is what stands out with Henry. Even if he is caught, there is at worst a yellow card. Players who cheat in attack get no sympathy from me.

 

Yes it is generalising. BUT it goes against everything football stands for.

I doubt very much Gerrard would be treated as a Hero. Maybe by the SUN and some thick fans.

 

Suarez committed an infraction and got punished accordingly. It's in the rule book. What's so agonizingly difficult to understand?

Unless you are so damn clueless about the game itself would you continue to discuss otherwise like there's some kind of merit.