Match 45: Portugal x Brazil, post-match thread.

Oh yes, we lost against Spain indeed. Most of it due to our own mistakes, but we never renounced attacking which is our philosophy, and you know something ?, despite our defeat, everybody recognizes our effort. While you defeat North Korea 7 to 0 and nobody recognizes you nothing. Strange, don`t you think ?. Besides, before this cup started nobody, except who really knew us, gave a cent about what we were capable of achieving, what do you think they think now ?

Despite our lost game, even if you don`t like it, we were second, the same as you, but we had two victories and 6 points, while you had 1 victory and two draws, simple stadistics, we had better performance than you did, and we are ranked above 15, and you as third, I would be worried if I were you.

Well I`m not trying to say that we are better than you, no, not at all, we still have lots to learn and to improve, at this moment you probably are much better than us, but since we have never really played against each other, we don`t really know.

I`m not attacking Europe but the style that tends to be imposed in it. I recognize all your talent, but what good does this talent serve for, if you don`t use it. That`s what I`m attacking. That`s the reason why Spain won the Euro and not others, because they defend themselves, but never renounce to attack. Their game is fun to watch and its always stimulating to play against them for this reason. I`d gladly play with them again, even if they beat us once more. You see, we think diferent about the game.

 

Is it?
Most people sympathized with the humbleness and sportmanship of the north koreans and we simply trashed them without mercy. We already have a nasty background launched by the english media and Cristiano Ronaldo on our side. These are the reasons to why.

As for Chile, I have no clue of what you're talking about. The international press was already aware of the offensive capability of Chile. However, if you think anyone complimented Chile's way of playing against Spain then you're being delusional. No one that exposes the defense (which is already horrible per se) like that will be complimented. Perhaps for the neutral observer it's fine, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't for many chileans.

...really, let me see if I get this straight. You are comparing your group to ours? The group of death?

Portugal would certainly cut that defense like butter. It doesn't take a hypothetical match to know that.

This moral victory perspective is...I can't even find a word that doesn't sound insulting. But it's obvious that you have no clue why the portuguese team adopted different strategies for each game, mostly relying on defense (except NK). I'm not even going to bother explaining you why.

You want beautiful football and think there's merit to it. The objective of the game is to win and not to please uncommon fans like you that aren't even neutral. You are in deep minority and your arguments are senseless.
Go out there and ask every chilean if they would rather bunker and win by a fluke against Spain then lose the way they did.
We know what the answer would be.

 

Chess_Panther, if there is anything flamy here it is the "quality" of your response. You don`t show me no fact to support your allegations, which are full of your personal opinions about things and fanatic allegations with no base in reality, some very harsh btw. It also gives me the wish to respond to them in the same way, but that would really be trolling, and I don`t fall for that.

Better stop comparing your team to mine and their respective campaigns, which doesn`t have anything to do with my initial observations here about the diferences of styles of playing the game, which were initially made to jec1 , who stated that beautiful soccer was not actual, but strategy was much important, which I said that I don`t accept and tried to explain the reasons to my diference of opinion. Then you started attacking my post and since I`m an educated kind of guy I replied, but we are not getting no where with all of this, and as I see that you are getting more and more pissed off, and since I don`t want to offend any other Portugal supporters with anything that I can say, in the middle of a heated discussion that I really would not mean, I`ll simply withdraw from this discussion.
Lets say I grant you the victory over this diference.

As I said in my initial post :
Good luck Portugal, against Spain sincerely

 

wtf game were u watching? both teams SUCKED including precious CR. Not looking foward to playing Holland... they're solid

 

I don't think both teams sucked. It was the nature of the game. I think Portugal was a tougher opponent then Netherlands. Their defense is the same since 06, and has aged. They will be looking to play an open style, they will actually be forced too.

 

We were discussing this in the other thread, and i also stated what you said that, against Spain, we can't play like we did agains CIV or Brasil. We have to risk more. The huge problem of our team is that we don't have anyone in the midfieldd capable of holding the ball and creating supported atacks. This is lack of talent on that position, since Tiago isn't a number 10 but a number 8. We are only capable of doing fast transitions.

What happened against NK was that they gave us space to let Tiago and Meireles getting forward, withou fearing their counter-atacks. Against Spain, it's impossible to do that. But definitely, we will have to risk more.

About Chile, you had the bad luck of getting into this mess, were Brasil and Spain are involved. But in 90 minutes anything can happen.

My expectations of Portugal in this world cup are fullfilled. Most portuguese didn't believe in our national team until the 7-0, and now rely their hopes maybe to much on our team. Since the beggining, we knew that we would catch Spain in the R16, so an elimination at this stage was predictable. But we can't give up.

 

This coming from a person that is indirectly associated with the result of this match. You came here and there's a subtle bitterness and discontempt over Portugal and Brazil - the whole Europe even. In case you haven't noticed, I checked your other posts.
Perhaps you expected to play against Portugal and wanted us to win, thinking that we're acessible. This supposition can be scary and delusional, but I'll leave it at that.

As for "fanatic allegations", I'm actually stating examples while you hipocriticly talk about the perfect playing style. You talk about Chile's effort in showing beautiful football, but truth of the matter is that they don't possess one of the elemental areas that yourself defend - the freaking defense (this in regard to your example of Spain, solid defense and creative attacking). So you're being contradictory in your argumentation.
You also talk about more points in the group phase without making a fair and logical comparison. And the list doesn't end here...

It's easy to see for everyone that behind your supposedly "well mannered" posts, hinders a certain grudge. You even talk about Coca-Cola rankings like they matter to anyone, which makes me wonder if you expected anything else when Chile hasn't accomplished big feats yet. Playing beautiful football doesn't give you points, no matter how unfair is the ranking system. Chile is not superior at any area than Brazil, Portugal or Spain and implying hypothetical confrontations won't change anyone's mind about this.

You made a whole anti-european dissertation, including all of them in the same bag. With other posts that you wrote, it's easy to perceive that you think Chile is one of the carriers for the "beautiful football" you so deeply defend. Despising teams like Portugal, Brazil, Italy, etc in the process. So I naturally deconstructed that thinking.

Thank you, and that's where you should of left things at.

 

Spain are in for a rude awakening. Over confidence can/will burn you. All my spanish friends think Espana will win 3-0. Sure, our defense is a rock, just need our superman to score goals like a hero.

 

It's funny how Rickdog seems to know they're going to be thrashed by Brazil because of playing styles, yet doesn't even consider for a minute changing their playing style.

Maybe some people would agree that there's some chivalrous notion about playing all out attack regardless of the opponent, but that's just silly. Football is not a circus, it's a sporting competition.

 

My opinion will probably go against the beliefs of even my fellow Portuguese fans, but I am actually glad with the way we play. The “beautiful game” style of play is dead and buried. It doesn’t win trophies. Not even Barcelona’s tiki taka or puku kuku or whatever stupid name they call it could beat Inter’s cynical play. When I see Portugal playing a defensive, solid, cynical style of play, I see a team that can actually win something. Those who advocate the “beautiful game” are up to a rude awakening (I’m specifically thinking about Argentina being shattered by Germany).

 

I agree with you.