US -Ghana Ref assigned

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Reccossu, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
  2. CravenCrew

    CravenCrew New Member

    Mar 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He seems to be one of Europes rising referees who will contend for the final of WC 2014 or Euro 2016.
     
  4. Roehl Sybing

    Roehl Sybing Guest

    Let's just say I'm not optimistic. Nothing against this guy, I don't know him at all, but I figure the Pope could referee this game and the calls still would go our opponents' way.
     
  5. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ref forum posters see this guy as one of the two or three best refs the US could hope to get. While I'm cynically tempted to agree with you (Ghana is, after all, Africa's last hope and has drawn two PKs already), at some point you have to think that all of the negative press focused on the referees in our matches might play into Viktor's mind.

    This guy is a young ref on the rise. He is fighting for future chances to call big matches. He will NOT help his cause any be become the center of controversy. I have to think that the ability of hte US press to make a ruckus out-weighs the ability of the Ghanian press to do so.

    So, while I hope he's perfectly fair and 100% impartial, it is no stretch of the imagination to see him holding back from making marginal calls against the USA.
     
  6. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    reffingn hasn't beat usa yet, why should it start now....

    bill clinton needs to go talk with him...

    say, the hungarians are going the way of the greeks, their banking system is collapsing...

    you want usa to bail you out....ah, you get the message
     
  7. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But just to be sure...

    Psssst.... someone let him know discreetly that our goalie is half-Hungarian ;)
     
  8. Nermalthecat

    Nermalthecat Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Avon, CT
    [segue]
    Hahahahahaha, England gets Larrionda!! Enjoy your red card(s).
    [/segue]

    This guy should be fine for our game. Rising UEFA ref star looking for bigger things in 2012 and beyond with a good performance here. I'd imagine, in addition to the furor in this Cup about the goals waived off for the U.S., someone will make him very well aware of the pathetic PK Ghana was given to beat us in 2006.
     
  9. owngoalpoacher

    Oct 29, 2009
    Kassai did USA - Spain at the U17 world cup last year. He awarded the US a penalty and sent off a Spanish player early on for DOGSO. He's done two matches in this world cup (Brazil-North Korea and Mexico-Uruguay), and he has shown only four yellows.
     
  10. Ryantherusskie

    Mar 17, 2006
    Where it's kept Real
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep this ref under constant surveillance leading up to this game. I want to know if Uncle Sepp pulls him aside, puts an arm around his shoulders, and "reminds" him how much continued local support would mean for the tournament.
     
  11. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Grant Wahl says the following about the ref:

    A match w/ a bunch of yellows worries me. If, knock wood, we were to win (and that is a big if), we'll need everyone -- missing Dolo or DeMerit or Altidore would be hugely problematic.
     
  12. judodono

    judodono Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Bay Area, Ca.
    Club:
    --other--
    i thought yellow card accumulation is reset for the 2nd round.
     
  13. Easy Morning Rebel

    Feb 12, 2006
    Des Moines, IA
    Exactly. FIFA's reaction to the Slovenia game was to bring in an extremely-respected ref. And while there was still a debatable call in the Algeria game, I would say that it wasn't as obvious as Edu's disallowed goal. My gut still tells me that FIFA does not want this kind of controversy. But long live conspiracy theories.
     
  14. Asprilla9

    Asprilla9 Member

    Dec 15, 2000
    Beaverton, OR
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it's reset for the quarters. so yellow cards in the Ghana game are freebies
     
  15. viperdiablo21

    viperdiablo21 Member

    Jul 20, 2002
    Isn't it after the quarters? To ensure that no player misses the final due to accumulation?
     
  16. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure this is correct.
     
  17. Nermalthecat

    Nermalthecat Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Avon, CT
    Which is stupid, because now the semifinals could be cynical hackfests with no ramifications. I would have reset after the R16 games. If you're dumb enough to get carded in two straight games leading up to a final, you should have to sit it out.
     
  18. Nermalthecat

    Nermalthecat Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Avon, CT
    The blown offside call vs. ALG was, in my mind, way worse than the Coulibaly fiasco. At least there, he could claim there was a foul on Boca or Dempsey or whatever, and while no one agrees one should have been called, there was contact during the play. Basically, he made his mind up to call something and looked for any excuse.

    The offside call vs. ALG was as basic as you can have. The ball wasn't more than a yard in front of both the defender and Dempsey, who were perfectly in line with each other. After the call, you saw where the linesman was standing with his flag raised, so ostensibly he was in position to make the call. I have no idea what he was looking at. When the ball was kicked, Dempsey should have been DIRECTLY BEHIND the defender if the linesman was in the position he seemed to be after the play. The whole thing was in front of him in the same frame of vision. It was an offside call a U-10 linesman should get right.
     
  19. amm_usa

    amm_usa New Member

    Jun 28, 2009
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There seems to be a lot of confusion about this. I've done some digging on Fifa's website and found nothing official other than this:

    FIFA Disciplinary Code

    Article 36: Carrying over cautions
    1. ​
    Cautions received during one competition are not carried over to
    another competition.

    2. ​
    They are, however, carried over from one round to the next in the
    same competition. The Disciplinary Committee may exceptionally
    depart from this rule before the start of a particular competition. This
    provision is subject to art. 37.


    Article 37: Cancelation of Cautions
    Upon its own initiative or at the request of a confederation, the
    Disciplinary Committee may cancel cautions that have not resulted in
    an expulsion so as to restore the balance among several teams that
    have not played the same number of matches during the fi rst round
    of a competition, or in other exceptional circumstances.​
    2. ​
    In any case, the committee may do this only once in any competition.

    3. ​
    The Disciplinary Committee’s decision is fi nal.

    I've read all the offical documents (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/organisation/documents/index.html) and found nothing official on when, or if this will be done. I know it's been done in the past, but it seems to be up to the Diciplinary Commitee as to when and if this happens.

     
  20. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The ref for the Algeria game was supposed to be good - and he was terrible. Not only the blown call on Dempsey's goal, but the PK & red card the Algerian player should have gotten for hitting Dempsey in the mouth.

    I have ZERO faith in FIFA officiating. USA needs to be 2 goals better than their opponent in the year's WC.
     
  21. SeaOtter

    SeaOtter Member

    Nov 7, 2006
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the offside call was not the ref's (the one you're referring to) to make.

    Also, isn't it possible that the ref was watching something else and missed the fist to Clint's mouth. He does only have two eyes. How does he card something he doesn't see exactly?

    I thought he called a pretty good game. He kept pretty good control of the match until the Algerians went down and lost their heads. Then he gave a two yellows for what i can only assume is two cases of dissent from the same Algerian.
     
  22. PhillyQuakesFan

    PhillyQuakesFan New Member

    Jun 25, 2007
    Delaware County, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I can't complain too much about the ref in the Algeria game--the linesman who blew that offside call should be shot, but that's not the ref's fault. And missing the backfist on Dempsey is simply a case of bad luck. Remember that the ref in the '06 final didn't even see Zidane's headbutt, one of the linesmen did and had to call the ref over to tell him what happened.
     
  23. SJB

    SJB BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 8, 2001
    I've always felt that a yellow should 'fade out' after two game without a new one. So if you get a yellow and stay clean for two games you are in the clear.

    As you say above, having arbitrary 'reset' points only encourages players to play rougher in the last game before the rest.

    Aside, I thought in previous years that FIFA would claim that they would not reset the Yellows during the cup but that they would 'review' the situation after the group stage, then sure as the sun comes up every cup they would decide to reset them.
     
  24. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would Ghana staying in the tournament affect local support all that much? I mean, the WC is being held in Africa, and Ghana is an African country - check. I'm sure Sepp would like Africa represented for a while, all things considered. I'm just not all that convinced that South Africans are going to get all that wound up about the Ghanaian nation team. The minute SA went out, I suspect that "local support" lost most of the wind in its sails.
     
  25. evangel

    evangel Member+

    Apr 12, 2007
    I'd be completely in favor of eliminating the incredibly stupid rule altogether, but that would require FIFA to admit that no two referees call things the same way.
     

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