RBNY nearing 8,000 ST sold

I've said more than enough times that Red Bull may suck for you guys but it's not going to cloud my judgement of their attendance success or failure. Drop the strawman, ad hominem attack.

Law of diminishing returns.

Neither of you were being arrogant in my opinion but the poster I quoted was being willfully ignorant in my opinion.

 

What I am saying is unlike Salzburg, where there is a very decent % of the local population that were already or at least tacitly SV fans and where there was already a decent built in tradition of people going to games and supportng the local side, in NY we dont have that.

We do have a huge population to draw on, and several like the sport, but there is no built in pre-existing fanbase for the local side here like ther amy have been in Salzburg.

I am saying RB doesn't have the luxery in NY of having a pre-existing fanbase in a decent % of population to draw on. They never had to "build"a fanbase on their own merits. All they did was spend a shit ton of monet to barely win the league and convince a few fair weather fans to show up more since they were winning.

I think our viewpoint on this issue is probably pretty similar and we are just not full understainding each other.

 

It's the difference between having an existing fanbase, but turning a good portion of them off with the name change (Salzburg), versus not having any existing fanbase at all, and doing little to create one (New York). In the former case, the on-field success of the team has brought back some of the audience and brought in new people, enough to increase overall attendance significantly. In the latter case, there is minimal change so far.

 

Since the attendance is now increasing, how do we classify Red Bull's progress in New York?

 

You put this in every post, convinced that they've accomplished something.
Do you not get, or are you just ignoring, that it is increasing from a nadir of their own making, that it is "increasing" back to the baseline, if that?

 

No I get that, but if they're turning things around then that should be acknowledged as well. Let's remember, MLS is a single entity league. I'm sure the brain trust at the league is working with Red Bull to help them succeed.

Um, maybe that's not a good thing....

 

I will leave that one to a couple of the other guys here, who are more up on RB-MLSHQ relations.

 

Actually, they are above the baseline set in their first year by 1,700 fans. They are also 1,100 above AEG's final season. However, they are currently 600 below NYRB/MetroStar's average attendance and 1,500 below the MetroStars average attendance. Should be interesting to see what happens the rest of the year.

 

Wow, that's so uber-cool. I bet RBHQ is really happy! I've seen the light!!!

OHWAIT NO... that still sucks. According to none other than Eric Stover:

http://www.seeingredny.com/2010/06/episode-15-rbny-managing-director-erik.html

Attendance has been "disappointing." F*ck off to Yoshou, bunge, mbar and everyone else in this thread who characterized comments of mine (and others) as kneejerk criticism.

 

You're a "Hater" like me, so our critisisms are not valid...DUH!

 

Did you even listen to the interview? I ask, because you seem to not have a clue what he actually said. Since it is apparent you didn't actually listen to the words he was saying, I'll paraphrase for you:

He's not happy with the attendance, but he isn't surprised. They expected the drop off after the first game and were prepared for it. He also mentioned that you aren't going to resolve 14 years of bad experiences in a couple of months, that it takes awhile for people to get re-engaged and believe. It just takes time.

Now, I'll point you to a comment I made back on June 4:

Note the similarity? But hey, keep up the hate.

 

You're a ********ing moron that apparently can't read or lacks comprehension skills. No one thinks your criticism is "knee jerk". It's obviously based on years of experience but that's blinding you to any decent news.

Or you simply lack the critical thinking skills necessary so you post links to interviews that don't support your argument.

 

Oh, and when you use quote marks around a word, that generally means the person being interviewed actually said the word in connection with the sentence in which you're using it. Stover never said the attendance was "disappointing". The only time he used "disappointing" was when he was talking about ticket sales for Friday's Cruzeiro game.

 

I have to agree. The Redbulls really are sh!te.

 

So wait, Matrim55 was completely wrong and simply ducked out of the thread in shame instead of apologizing for being a dick and then having to eat a little crow?

 

Being the generally nice guy that I am, I'm going to assume it's because he is too busy with World Cup related discussions.

 

Why should he eat crow? Stover said that he was not happy with the attendance numbers. He also used the word "disappointing." Matrim linked to the interview. He wasn't trying to hide what Stover really said.

 

Frankly, if the team isn't selling out the stadium every game, I would hope that Stover would continue to be "not happy" with attendance. What Stover said pretty much matched exactly what bunge and I have been saying throughout this entire thread to Matrim and Michael K and Matrim tries to call us out about it using a misquote to support his claim?

Also just because Stover used the word "disappointing" somewhere in his interview does not make it okay for Matrim to quote it in a sentence about the team's overall attendance. It's the equivalent of me saying "Demothenese thinks Matrim55 is a 'failure'," just because you used the word "failure" here and talked about Matrim55 here. Obviously you never said that and would rightly be pissed off if I actually did do that.

 

No, just tired of arguing with you guys.

Stover's not happy with ticket sales and no shows, and was disappointed with the Cruzeiro turnout. Not sure how it can get any clearer than that, but either way, I'm done. I don't care to argue with folks who have no regard for reality.

 

When your argument fails, attack the person. Typical response around these parts.

 

Except for the fact that I supported my claim that the poster was ignorant.

Of course, if you quoted my entire post you would know that but then that would show you to be disingenuous and my guess is you don't have the courage to admit that here.

 

Maybe it's not just a problem with the Red Bulls name, if they're not turning out for teams like Cruzeiro and Juventus, what's up with that? I thought NY had a large immigrant population, and a lot of soccer fans.

 

- It's not just a problem with the name, and no one ever claimed it was. There are endless challenges for MLS in the NYC area, and the name/identity is just one of them. But it's a serious obstacle to legitimacy all the same, a basic problem which works as a limiter here, and the league's window, as far as being first in the hearts and minds of US soccer fans, very well may be closing.

- If "they" are not turning out for teams like Cruzeiro and Juventus, it's probably because "they" aren't devoted Cruzeiro or Juve fans. Pretty simple, really. You thought NY had a large immigrant population? Well so far, so good - it does, in fact. And yes, many of them are soccer fans. But "soccer fan" can mean an awful lot of things, as we see right now, with the whole damn country looking like "soccer fans" lately. It doesn't follow that soccer fans, immigrant or not, are going to faithfully trundle down to Harrison for any old dog and pony show. You're mistaken if you consider attendance at meaningless post-season exhibition matches against various foreign teams (even celebrated ones) as some sort of test of the market. It's not.