US-Slovenia postgame general

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by bungadiri, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What subs did he make to make a difference. Edu had just as many brainfarts, and usually they were on backpasses, which were more dangerous.

    The ONLY sub that matter is Landon Donovan as Landycakes located his balls at half. Mandon then gots to poppin and hit that goal.

    I'd say that is the biggest sub question we have. It isn't Torres/Buddle/Gomez/Edu/Clark. We need Mandon and Dempsey to be ON.
     
  2. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    puddleduck, three points:

    [1] There were two american players being manhandled/held up in the box. And to a far greater degree than whatever touch Edu had. It also followed a gamelong pattern of stopping all set pieces into the box with calls that, all times, went against the Yanks.

    [2] Nothing he said was racist. Islam is a religion, not a race. If you wish to call him a "religionist' at least you'd have the right word.

    [3] It doesn't take the donning of red, white, and blue goggles to learn from a little bit of inductive reasoning. But it does take not being the idiot duck puddling around in the sump of the global village. Noting the history of this referee, and the patterns of his calls in the match, and his role in similarly controversial matches in Africa, is as far from "racist nonsense" as you are from the Sea of Tranquillity.
     
  3. bofahey

    bofahey Member

    Sep 1, 2001
    Washington, DC
    What makes you think offside was called?
     
  4. ElasticNorseman

    ElasticNorseman Member+

    Apr 16, 2004
    Natick, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Ombak's statement wasn't mostly true. It was completely true. He said the US controlled their destiny and a win by 2 or more means they're in so that's CONTROL
     
  5. Asprilla9

    Asprilla9 Member

    Dec 15, 2000
    Beaverton, OR
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no, England has 100 percent chance of throttling both Algeria and Slovenia. We beat Algeria and we're in. Don't waste your time on the scenarios. :D
     
  6. AEK21

    AEK21 Member

    Jul 23, 2009
    And among the goal calls lets not forget the DOGSO and studs up challenge right after (that certainly woiuld have been red had Rico Clark been giving it).
     
  7. Utd16

    Utd16 Member

    May 24, 2008
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Trolling? I just find it sad when people think of horrible stuff whenever a ref makes a mistake. But you can't blame the ref on how shitty the U.S played

    And Argentina played better than Korea because our coach made errors and not only that but two goals were offsides for Argentina but counted and one was a own goal. But you don't see me making racist remarks of the ref, do you?
     
  8. clore07

    clore07 New Member

    Aug 17, 2003
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    7 has Boca in a headlock. At the start of the play Boca tries to slip back past him and 7 puts Boca in a headlock. At that point Boca does slip his arm around the man but Boca didn't initiate the hold and really it looks like he's trying to push off of the man to break free. As he's doing that he goes down and since 7 has him in a headlock he stumbles. There's no hold there. It was a terrible call and the goal should have stood.
     
  9. bofahey

    bofahey Member

    Sep 1, 2001
    Washington, DC
    They never showed the replay of the possible DOGSO. I'd like to see that again, as I thought Jozy was in on the keeper in real time and it should have been red instead of yellow.

    The worst call though was the yellow on Findley. And then the linesman made an equally poor handball call on Edu later (no card this time at least) when he had his hands in front of his torso/face, which is totally legal.
     
  10. Albirrojo

    Albirrojo Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    I would not be so smirk in your confidence, USA defeated Egypt by 3 to advance in the Confederations and Fulham pulling back against Juventus in the Europa League are 2 cases in the past year where goal differential decided things. Dempsey involved in the scoring in all these games as well as keeping Fulham up from relegation from what I heard. YES, it does happen.
     
  11. Spry

    Spry Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    Pasadena
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    There were those going into this game with high expectations for sure. And why shouldn't they? Up until this point we've looked pretty good and beaten formidable opponents. Neither Slovenia or Algeria put on the shakes like Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Italy, or England. The fans feel they can win this game and so to the players. And I don't think this team underestimates anybody. There's a lot of tension and anxiety going into these matches and it's usually the team with composure and urgency that puts up the early goals and wins. Algeria won't lay down, especially if the manage to get a point today.
     
  12. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm cooling off. I don't know how he made that call. They keep saying he called a foul on Edu, but there is no way that occurred. For whatever the reason, we were robbed, but we are still alive and need to go out and throttle Algeria.


    We sucked in the first half and deserved to be down 2-0, but we came back in the second and won the game, even if we're only getting a point for the win.

    Donovan's goal was, for me, the greatest U.S. goal to have been scored in a World Cup, not that there have been all that many goals to choose from.

    Dempsey was pretty much invisible all day. The only thing he did to stand out were possibly elbowing the guy in the beginning and then stepping on the ball and accidentally injuring the Slovenian guy in the process.

    I'm so relieved that were still in the fight. I'm not gonna think about the third goal anymore. Just have to look forward and get it done.
     
  13. WKU_Philthy

    WKU_Philthy New Member

    May 3, 2006
    Sportscenter just said the ref blew the whistle for an Edu foul?!? WTF???
     
  14. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good bye, enjoy your Asian football
     
  15. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This. Forget England. Forget Slovenia. We need to play Algeria the same way we played Egypt in the Confederations Cup. It should be quite clear to everyone that this team is not going to win by defending. Our attacking quality is better than our defending quality. It's just that simple. Go out and swarm Algeria, run them off the field, and get to the 2nd round. Enough of this defend solidly for 20 minutes and feel the opponent out nonsense that Bradley likes to preach (which does nothing but create great quality chances for the opposition early). We don't have the team to do that at this level.
     
  16. highflyerone

    highflyerone Member

    Aug 18, 2007
    New York City
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very poetic :p
     
  17. yeaunome

    yeaunome Member

    Aug 29, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    uh no, damn that. we have no need to leave it in the hands of the redcoats.

    beat algeria by 2 goals and we are in, simple as that. we hold the key to our knockout round.
     
  18. Riben

    Riben Member

    Sep 6, 2008
    Miami
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqalHkuICs"]YouTube- Slovenia vs USA( EDU GOAL)85th minute foul is called![/ame]
     
  19. puddleduck

    puddleduck Member

    Mar 15, 2002
    Providence, RI
    Actually, I think it was Boca that was committing the (marginal) foul. Not saying I like the call, or that the ref was having a great game. I think most refs let the goal stand.

    "Religionist" sounds weird. How about we just agree that references to a ref's religion or race are pretty meaningless and at best make the poster sound ignorant and parochial?

    Sh*t, that's practically poetry ... Not sure what it means ... but I got nuttin'
     
  20. rtung

    rtung Member

    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago, IL, USA
    It was actually working against the Slovenes in the second half. Oh, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I actually find route 1 exciting, if brainless.
     
  21. deron

    deron New Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Centennial, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, I never thought I'd read that in my life time.

    It worries me that it's probably a result of declining defense rather than a huge offensive step.
     
  22. andorj78

    andorj78 New Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Getzville, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    A foul on us?!?!? Holy shit - I had no clue. Brain explodes again.
     
  23. SombraAla

    SombraAla Member+

    Apr 2, 2006
    Waldo (Kansas City)
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My perspective:

    Ref started to blow the whistle before realizing there wasn't a foul and couldn't take back the whistle, so he just pointed the other way. After he realized his mistake he was probably just hoping the US wouldn't score on the piece...

    SOMETHING has to be done about set pieces in general though - I mean, all the pushing and shoving in the box... there's a sure PK every corner or free kick near the area but they get overlooked because it happens all the time. So refs don't call it and then it gets worse... and then refs start calling it but usually against the offense because they don't want to give away a cheap PK.

    Still, ref can take all the time he wants to make the call, he shouldn't be blowing the whistle so early and then having to figure out a reason to justify it.

    Horrible, just horrible.
     
  24. andorj78

    andorj78 New Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Getzville, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    This isn't a Sunday league. I don't (seriously) hope that Mali ********head dies but we shouldn't just all shrug our shoulders. Human error is OK from time to time but when it completely reverses the outcome of a WORLD CUP FINALS MATCH on a consistent basis (hello Germany!) - that's unacceptable.
     
  25. WKU_Philthy

    WKU_Philthy New Member

    May 3, 2006
    FIFA's official match tracker says foul on Edu. WTF???
     

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