...and/or even a local (but worthwhile) kid, or two and i agree...the key as always being merit, as we're all tired of bringing in players as marketing ploys first, especially when they dont belong on the field...once again, heres hoping johnny david belongs..
Re: Re: Re: Re: NJ Nets..... SOLD! (NMR) If the Metros move to NY and/or change their name to New York then I am done with them (unless this stadium deal drags out rediculously and they're left with no other choice). If MLS wants to put a new team in NYC then I say more power to them. WFAN still won't care, but it will be a good local rivalry I'm sure.
If the Nets move to new york two things happen. One New York finally gets a good basketball team instead of that sorry team at the Garden. Two the devils have a much much much much much better shot at winding up in Newark. Good ol' Mayor Sharpe James wants to build the arena with local Newark money, devils owner money and private developer money. Meaning no money from the state. McGreevey dropped the ball on the Nets. Odds are the devils won't be going anywhere for a long time.
Re: Re: NJ Nets..... SOLD! (NMR) One of the most common reasons I hear for people not going to Bears & Eagles Stadium is that it is "in a rough neighborhood". That was the same reason why so many people were lukewarm to a proposed arena in downtown Newark. I feel that people will have the same perception of a stadium in Harrison. The team is bucking decades of negative views of the area. Building a stadium or putting an attractive product on the field is in no way a guarantee that they will come. Somehow I feel that it will just be the same loyal 6 or 8k fans that show up at Giants Stadium.
Bears stadium isn't in a rough neighborhood. You don't hear the hundreds of people that go to NJPAC complaining about the area. I remember growing up and Hoboken was a bad area. Nobody complains about it anymore. Jersey City is getting better, Newark is getting better and Harrison will get better as well. I'm not saying any of these cities are bad areas, because I don't see huge problems they have over any other city. Sure they have crime, so does my nice suburban town. If people want to see something they will go.
I think theres a difference in perception and reality. And the fact is that people still view Newark as a dangerous place to go. On top of that when they hear a crime goes on in Newark they have no idea what part of town it is so they assume all of Newark is dangerous. The very few who know the place know otherwise. I dont think that perception is going to fade anytime soon.
Re: Re: NJ Nets..... SOLD! (NMR) By your post I could tell that the only time you have spent in Newark was probably buying weed on a street corner. If you actually went to the businesses, the neighborhoods, and the local bars, you would realize that this is a soccer loving community. Once again, its not saying that they will show up to the Metro games, but then again they could.
Bull sh$t ..... The Knicks have been bad for what... 2 years? The Nets have been bad for what... 15 years? This is just a temp situation... The bandwagon will soon die as soon as the Nets return to their rightfull place... dead last in the Atlantic....
I'm on you Jersey folks side when it comes to the Nets. Ratner and Markowitz's plan to "fix" a perfectly good neighborhood, one with solid, good-looking people living and working in solid, good-looking buildings, whose days of intractable poverty and crack-fueled gory crime are totally gone, rip half of it down and replace it with a plexiglass-and-legos arena and office park, is insane, power-mad, horsesh^t. And the way the NY Times and other media heavy-hitters have gotten behind this is log-rolling and ass-licking at its most sordid. F^ck them and f^ck Ratner.
Re: Re: NJ Nets..... SOLD! (NMR) You're an idiot. Or think of it this way, your point guard wasn't even good enough for the Nets. Same for your star forward. Ha!
Re: Re: Re: Re: NJ Nets..... SOLD! (NMR) How could I forget Dikembe? The guy the Nets thought so highly of they PAID HIM TO LEAVE.
Oh wait, who's your center? What's his name again? No, not Alonzo..the other one..the one who was supposed to be better then Dikembe Mutumbo...geez..he's so good I can't remember his name. I'll take Mutumbo and his 8 points, 8 rebounds (12+ boards a night is very common) and 2 blocks a game over anyone the Nets have. KVH? What's wrong with him? Are his 20 pts a game and 10 boards too soft for the Nets?? Starbury is another Net reject too? His average of 20+ and 10+ assists a game as a Knick isn't good? Oh yeah...Kidd is soo much better because he rebounds too..any point guard who posts up in a new with no height will get the same amount of boards Kidd gets. Hope Kidd enjoyed his two years of winning and 2 game lead over the Knicks because it won't last for long. When was the last time the Nets made the finals when the East was acually competitive?? Knicks did it twice in the 90's, could have done it more if it weren't for Jordan.
That's because Bruce RAT-ner is partners with the NY Times in the construction of their new office complex. Concerning the other posts, I dont' think that New Jersey's commitment to pro sports is any different than any other state. The Atlanta Braves couldn't draw flies in the 90's when they were making the World Series every year and the Miami Heat was playing in empty arena's during the Pat Riley era. As funny as this sounds, the MetroStars actually get BETTER coverage on TV than the Nets! Think about it.....not everyone has the YES Network, while every cable subscriber gets MSG. Jason Kidd could get 30 points and the Nets could blow out the Clippers by 40 and yet the top story will be Vladimir Guerrero spurning the Mets. As much as Nick and the MFO get criticized, they pale in comparison to the way the Nets have always been poorly run. In order to take your wife/girlfriend/fiance to a Nets game, that's $150 for two of the cheapest lower tier seats, $15 for parking, $20 for food and another $5-10 bucks for gas/tolls and you've got yourself a $200 evening. Is $200 worth seeing ANY NBA game? No freakin way!
KVH is a great player. He's real clutch when a game doesn't matter. Wait till the playoffs. Van Horn is inconsitent. And I'm not knocking him because I'm bitter. I still have a KVH Nets jersey hanging in my closet. Fact is.. he never really showed up when you really really needed his big shots. It was the same when he played for the sixers.
That may be true, but it's a shame. Newark has f'in great restraunts and bars. Anyone who has been to the Portugese feast would understand. But I guess you are right... soccer mom's who don't want their kids to play dodge ball in gym are going to be pretty over protective. But in my white middle class suburban heart I will always believe that Newark is the bomb.
I've lived all my life 10 minutes down Rt. 21 from the Newark/Harrison area. I can say that the area isn't any worse now than it was 30 years ago and many areas have improved over that time. Newark still has it's rough spots but the downtown area has made a tremendous comeback in the last 10 years or so. Changing people opinions will still be quite a challenge none the less.
That would be Jason Collins. Is he great? No. But he's a pretty good defender, an excellent foul shooter, and draws charges. He just doesn't score, which on a team with Kidd, Kittles, Martin, and Jefferson shouldn't be a problem. Van Horn is ok, but as pointed out has a problem when it counts. Marbury isn't bad either when he's happy, but I'd take Kidd over him any day, as would you. Um, maybe the reason the East wasn't competitive is because the Nets were so good the last two years. Not our fault you guys kept your crappy GM and coach around for way too long.
Byron Scott was just fired : http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...YwN0aA--?slug=ap-nets-scott&prov=ap&type=lgns What is this.....the 5th head coach he's had fired since his high school JV team?
The East hasn't been competitive at all since the Jordan era and a little after (the year Indy went to the Finals). Who do did the Nets have to compete with in the East? The Pistons? The underachieving Celtics? Real tough one there. During the Jordan era, the East had New York, Chicago, Indy and Miami, who are a lot better than the Nets. The Knicks went 1-4 in the 1999 Finals when they were the 8th seed. If I remember correctly, the Nets were swept in their first trip and lost 2-4 in the second. They were ranked 1st in both. KVH has been stepping it up ever since Zeke started running the show.
VanHorn is inconsistent at random times. when the pressure is on sometimes hes great sometimes he sucks. you can never predict when he'll stink. Houston always sucks when the game is on the line. Marbury will turn into a dickhead again soon enough. He's done it at all of his teams and he's never going to stop. Marbury is 1 of the most unlikealble players in the league. u knicks fans will hate him soon enough.
The difference between the Knicks and the Nets is that the Knicks don't need to rely on KVH to score to win games. The Nets did. The Knicks have, Marbury, Houston, Thomas, Doleac, Harrington, Hardaway, Williams, Norris, Anderson and even Deke sometime who can easily score 15+ points a game. If KVH goes down, they can replace him. Marbury had that bad attitude because he was never playing where he wanted. Now he is. Everyone thought bringing in Spree would be a bad idea. What happened? The guy became an instant fan favorite. Starbury wants to win, and the fans of the Knicks want to win. Those two things are the most important pieces of this puzzle. Yes, this is Marbury's team. He was the only player in that Houston game that wanted to play. The guy deserves some credit.
o yea, the Nets relied on KVH all right... until we shipped him off... and who picked his sorry a$$ up at the end. philly gave him a shot. nothing, couldn't do it with AI. why the fook would ny grab him. out of desperation. good luck ny, gonna need it... hey, 'bout them metros?
If the Nets relied on KVH it was to hit a few shots, and grab a few boards. He did grab those boards... I forget what season he led the Nets in boards, but when he did they were ranking something like 19th in the NBA for rebounding. Sometimes he he came up huge, but he was never consistent. The team was never built around him.