Findley leaving in the offseason (certainly maybe, defintely perhaps)

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McCabe is a ballsy agent that goes public before he should to try to force the hand of his opposite in negotiations for his clients. It backfired with respect to Movsisyan. We'll see how this attempt goes. He's taking a 'nicer tone' approach, but the substance is the same: I'm publicly announcing my player is leaving, RSL might as well <pony up more money><let the player go early><improve the bonus structure><whatever comes to mind>

I'll worry about this after it becomes news.

Right now, losing Findley means we are losing precisely zero goal production this season. I'm not losing sleep.

 

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Hard to imagine Findley having any oversees demand after putting up a big fat 0 for RSL this season, and I really think RSL can do better than Findley and or Saborio. I was much more distressed when I heard the news that Movsisian was leaving the team.

If RSL is willing to spend some money I am sure they will be able to bring in some improved talent in the forward position in the upcoming off-season.

Yes to the idea of bringing in a DP.

 

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a couple thoughts on this, first off being that mccabe is a ********ing scumbag that loves to stir the pot and put the players he represents in lame duck situations which almost never helps their cases (see yura last season). second, findley isnt going to command ANY attention or draw from overseas teams if he cant figure out wtf he is doing here. he's been an utter failure this season for club and country, the USMNT friendlies i feel severely damaged his stock (especially among fans who arent familiar with him already). findley really has one thing, speed. his touch is horrible and he lacks creativity once in dangerous positions.

having said that, it is disheartening that we are such a revolving door at the forward position. its the one position we cannot maintain consistent personnel. its still way to early to give an honest evaluation of sabo, but i like what he has brought to the table so far. espy has proven to be up and down, dangerous and a hot head. i also like the idea of bringing in a DP forward (RVanN please), but have little faith that it will happen.

 

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Did it? From the agents perspective I'm not so sure.

 

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Who said Saborio is leaving?

 

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Ditto.

Plus, if he wants to go to Europe, he wants to go to Europe. If you are RSL, and that is a player's goal, it is very difficult to compete with that. I wish him luck if and when he goes. Also, if and when he does leave, RSL will miss him.

 

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What backfired with regard to Movsisian??
He wanted Europe, his agent got him Europe, and now he is succeeding in Europe. If I were a player I would probably want Findley/Movsisian's agent.
But Findley is not Movsisian!!!

 

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Assuming the salary was higher in Denmark, but would only start after the player went to Denmark, the agent lost money on the deal because he earns a percentage of his client's pay.

 

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Any Euro team that wants him can have him. Our "starting" forward has 2 less goals than our center back 1/4 way through the season. I don't think there will be much demand for a forward who doesn't score.

 

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No one's expanded on Saborio inevitably leaving. What's going on there? I haven't heard anything so I'm just wanting to get caught up on that situation. Anyway, I really don't understand how he's supposed to get any love from Europe. I'm with you guys, he hasn't produced on the field, yet, so what makes him think he'll find all of these teams that are interested? I enjoy watching him play and I'll be bummed when we lose him UNLESS we find somebody to upgrade the position. I don't think they'll spend the money for a DP but I wish they would.

 

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Real Salt Lake has two players currently here under loan arrangement: Saborio and Gonzalez.

Gonzo's loan deal expires at the end of June. There is a buyout clause, and perhaps also the opportunity to extend the loan.

Saborio's loan ends after the season. He does have a buyout at the end, but it is reportedly very significant. In addition, if Saborio has a good season he may be interested in Europe, and they may be interested in him. There is nothing "imminent" or "inevitable" about this, however, and nothing has changed since he was initially signed in March.

 

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Each season every MLS team does fairly significant makeovers. RSL's relative stability over the past 2 off seasons is the exception to the rule.

 

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plus two less than our dmid! His speed can take him just so far. He needs to score

 

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I will be a little sad to see Findley leave - I've always liked him as a player. I was sad to see Yura leave as well for the same reason.

Having said that, I'm not sure either player will (or has) proved irreplacable. I hope Findley does well and gains from the experience of going to Europe.

I think Espindola and Saborio are two good forwards who are just as good (and possibly better). However, RSL now needs to begin searching for the NEXT forward or two... I'm not sure Campos gives us enough but we haven't really seen enough of him yet either. We need to have competition at the spot and in a way... knowing now that Findley is going to leave... gives us time to start looking to see what's out there.

 

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When he came in last year, he made a difference, getting two GWG and MLS POTW! Then he went down with an injury. And, when he came in last Saturday, he had a huge assist. (However, he did blow two chances to score a goal, 1 v 1 with Seitzy, and blew it Yura style). Nevertheless, he's got the talent and he works hard, and IMO, we have seen enough of him.

 

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I'd say that McCabe blew his gamble to get RSL to let Yura leave before the end of the season.

The way I thought his little scheme went was to get Yura pictured with a Randers jersey at the earliest possible date (6 months before his contract expired). He, and probably Randers, hoped to send the message that Yura was no longer an RSL player, and was no longer committed to RSL. Hoping that, when Randers came asking for a cheap transfer at the start of the Danish season, RSL would just give in, because Yura was already "gone" mentally. When RSL demanded a non-trivial transfer fee, McCabe blew up and made all his comments about RSL negotiating in bad faith.

I don't think his personality failed him here, just his underestimation of Yura's value to the team. I suppose that the announcement and picture might have entrenched RSL a bit more in their position on not letting Yura go, but I doubt they would have sold him for cheap even if McCabe hadn't tried to game them from the beginning.

 

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I also don't get what these mid-season public announcements are all about. From a negotiating standpoint I think it's stupid - it just entrenches your opponent. It seems unprofessional to some extent. It's not like teams in Denmark pour over MLS newsfeeds... they wait for AGENTS to send inquiries/packets on the prospective players to them.

The only thing the public announcements do is rile up the fans one way or another. Seems stupid to me... just do what you're going to do.

 

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Nobody sees this as a good thing for RSL in that now they have an entire season (year roughly) to find a replacement? The agent is actually doing RSL a favor I think. He is saying dont bother, go focus on finding someone else, my client is gone. Findley will put in his work, but consider this his 6 months notice...

Findley is going to go play for a second teir club and do nothing until he fixes that touch. IF he fixes that touch, huge if, then he could jump up a level. However, Yura will be making the jump much quicker than Findley will, if he ever does.

Good luck to Findley, hopefully this gives you a little confidence and relaxes you a bit more here at RSL. End the season like Yura did for us last year, playing hard and scoring goals

 

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My big question is how Robbie feels about the announcement. Yura didn't seem to have a problem with it, but Robbie isn't as arrogant as Yura. Robbie has always come off as the quiet, humble type, so I wonder how he feels about being tossed into the same situation that Yura was in last summer.

 

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devil's advocate:
Maybe Findley is no "different" and has his mind set on going to Europe no matter what.
I would imagine they gave him a similar offer they gave yura (more $ than Javi makes type thing) and he still turned it down. Once you go there, the only option left is DP... And NOBODY would say Findley is DP material. Therefore, its over. Negotiations didnt lead to an agreement, move forward, be adults about it.
This will actually give a swift kick in the ass of RSL I think. Now they have no excuse for not having a good forward or two next season or even in the summer (we could potentially lose Findley then). No bullshit of "working things with Findley", that has past, find then next piece

(of course this is all speculation)

 

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I read it as saber rattling and the agent attempting to make news and capitalize on the US-30 announcement, probably prematurely if he doesn't make the 23 (which seems unlikely already).

RF's done a lot for us, I find it disingenuous to switch from fan to foe, so I won't, I'll hope for his success like I do with EuroMov.

Garth's always said that premium strikers are a rare commodity and they're the hardest thing to both find and keep in MLS.

His stated approach is to sign young striking talent with potential and groom those players for sale to bigger leagues...and then use the funds to pour back into the young talent pool, particularly for more young strikers. (Feel free to channel RSLFM and attack that scheme).

It's an appropriate-for-MLS concept, but it only holds if you sign and sell, and so far that hasn't happened. Maybe that's what is being set up this time. I'd be interested to know how the agent benefits in that situation as well.

But that's our reality. Our team plays in a promising up-and-coming and under-rated league, but we're also exactly that, which means we're a farm system for Europe.

Until the economics change, that won't change...so keep supporting your team.

 

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So, what's McCabe's excuse for this bit of bluster? Or, maybe his personality is failing him.

 

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A competent FO (i understand the jury may be out, but there is some evidence of competence, even with moments of blunder) should continually have a list of players that they have their eye on because you never know when the season ending injury will occur.

We are deep at midfield, but two injuries to key players and we would be on the market immediately and should know where we intend to look within hours of the injury.

So, a year or a week should make no difference to the FO's readiness.

 

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Maybe this is a wakeup call to RSL to open the wallet and pay for a DP and some proven players. Also, if RSL is confident in their players, they need to include more team options in their contracts