U14 and U15 boys IL state cup

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by pitchperfect, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    U14 Eclipse Boys have already qualified for R2 event. Wolves have not downplayed MRL they are being outplayed technically and tactically. Wolves team in MRL is same team that won Midwest Regionals last year with their star studded robots.
     
  2. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    LOL. Shouldn't the midfielders be looking for the forwards? Oh oh, I might have to use Mourinho style mind games to get the edge. :p

    Now I'm even more curious to see Eclipse U14s play! It's a breath of fresh air to even just read that type of comments about a youth soccer team in US. I hope the hype is true. Then I'll be the first to come back here with the comment: "Yup, they are the real deal"
     
  3. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yonko U should try to understand game of soccer. It isnt a game where only forwards are allowed to score. The elite teams attack from the outside defenders, with their midfielders, along with the forwards-it is a game of all out attack just as the Bigger European clubs do. All players are encouraged to score-hence the threat comes from many different players. The attack comes in many different combinations utilizing overlap, thru and run-on balls as well as using wing play. These concepts are not being taught at the local DA's hence their reliance on defense and "Dog Ball" tactics. I hope this has broaden your vision (or lack of) of the game. When u have a chance and are interested in seeing real soccer-go watch Eclipse U14 Boys. :)
     
  4. UofIneedssoccer

    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Since the the Eclipse is the the best thing since slice bread it is hard for me to imagine how they only tied the Ft. Wayne Fever and then only beat the last place team 1-0 something does not smell right in that MR. If this team is such a dominant team the ft wayne team at best should not be in the MRL and the Ohio team was beat by the Magic this past weekend. Knowing somewhat the mind set of the coach I am sure your going to tell me they played the bench agianst Ft.wayne. As I said before the Eclipse is a very good team but something smells with the results that they have. It will be an interesting state cup but with the strange setup of playing one weekend then playing a month later it will be sort of strange:)
     
  5. udntknwme

    udntknwme New Member

    Sep 10, 2008
    Are you seriously going to take 2 results and conclude that something doesn't smell right? Top teams all over the world in every sport don't always run the table. You can't be that naive, can you?

    You look at a body of work. Do some research before you spout off.
     
  6. notFred

    notFred New Member

    Apr 8, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Perhaps you are correct, but from my observations, particularly at U14 and below, coaches are doing their best to get some type of mobility in the attack. I have seen some supposedly good teams in MRL that are very static and I have seen coaches at the practice field pulling their hair out trying to teach the attacking principle of mobility to their players. So I am not sure it is the coaches that are favoring a static system. I think that for some teams, their younger players can’t employ the idea of mobility in the attack. Looking at the 4 principles of attack (penetration, depth, width, mobility), I think that maybe the toughest aspect to apply while also keeping in mind the other principles appears to be mobility.

    From my observation, the teams that are teaching possession soccer are doing a good job of attacking with depth and often width. However, players are focused on getting depth and width but they forget the principle of mobility. I think the coaches are teaching it, it is just not getting implemented on the field in a consistent manner. As you mention, I have also seen some MRL teams at U14 that have some very, very good players but they are incredibly static on attack. I have heard some parents whine about how the other teams are “stacking it in” defensively and that’s why their kid’s team can’t score. Perhaps the reason their kid’s team can’t score is because they do not employ all the principles of attack when they have the ball.

    From your description, it seems the Eclipse boys are technically adept enough and tactically comfortable enough with the other attacking principles to also use mobility to unbalance the defense. I might actually try to watch them play sometime, although I don’t think I will go as far as Rockford :- ) Congratulations to them and Lemont at U15 for playing some very successful soccer this year.
     
  7. Sidelineview

    Sidelineview New Member

    Apr 27, 2010
    I saw the MRL games this past week-end and I have to say that Eclipse 14 did not look to be on their game. I would consider them lucky to come away with a win and a tie. I did see the Eclipse Wolves game also. The score is not indicative of the game. Very tight play in the first half, Eclipse came out and scored two fairly quickly and Wolves put their heads down and Eclipse continued to pound, obviously a point to prove there.
     
  8. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The 1-0 win against last place U14 OP Eagles in MRL does not mean game was close at all. OP crossed midfield only 4 times the entire game. It was one of those games where finishing could have been much better. U14 Eclipse had 26 shots on goal vs OP with only 2. Sometimes by reading stats you could get a better feel for game than just score line. We have all been involved in games where the finishing is poor. As for the Ft.Wayne MRL game coach played his regular line ups for the U14 game in Rockford. The U14 Eclipse lacked energy and motivation but having already locked up their R2 spot the day prior-the game was just a training session for them. Eclipse U14 currently sits as top dog in Premiership MRL with 5 wins 1 draw and a game in hand. From what I hear they are only focused on state cup games for the next 6 weeks. As for anyone who seen U14 Eclipse play U14 Wolves-tight game in first half but Wolves lacked any creativity going forward-they played typical "Dog Ball" style. Wolves created 7 corners in first half-none that threatened and maybe 6-7 long distance shots because that is all they were given. Eclipse in first half missed 3 close opportunities which were created from their width. 2nd half Eclipse took control and Wolves could not match intensity for the full 70 minutes and after 2 quick goals-Wolves dropped their heads and it was over.
     
  9. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    udntknme Well said about the body of work. U understand game my friend. The goal for the U14 Eclipse Boys was to win MRL Premiership which they did by wining their 1st 5 games-done set match. Ft.Wayne game was a one off.
     
  10. Sidelineview

    Sidelineview New Member

    Apr 27, 2010
    Without all the specifics (stats as you call them), that's exactly what I said. We were obviously at the same game. I don't see Elcipse on the nisl schedule, so I'm not sure when they play other teams from their state, Lemont, Sockers, etc. to see how they will fare with local competition. Should make state cup that much more interesting. A lot of good teams in Illinois.
     
  11. udntknwme

    udntknwme New Member

    Sep 10, 2008
    Watch out for bulletin board material. Remember, you're not the one playing the game.
     
  12. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Udntknme Its not bulletin board material. Some former posts were questioning the U14 Eclipse results and I wanted to provide factual information and give a more detailed account of the games in question. Other than "Blindly" saying a 1-0 result is a close game-you must always look further-every game at the youth level is different and any team can be beaten at any time-The Ball is round and it rolls funny!!!
     
  13. Sidelineview

    Sidelineview New Member

    Apr 27, 2010
    Good heavens coach, these are 13-14 year old boys. A bit surprised at that age you're making winning so important.
     
  14. Sidelineview

    Sidelineview New Member

    Apr 27, 2010
    Well said!
     
  15. UofIneedssoccer

    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    And that is theproblem with American soccer that these boys are only 13 and 14. Sitting in a nice pub in Dallas came across a very interesting group of coaches from some rather big time schools. The discussing was that they are now looking at players as young as 14 something that they did not dream of doing years ago because the big clubs from europe,mexico and south america were poaching talent. I thought that was a very interesting word that they used. So you maybe 14 but you are on the radar, sucksto grow up so fast:):(:)
     
  16. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    What makes you think I don't understand? And where did I say that only forwards can score?

    FYI, when I wanna see real soccer, I'll be watching FC Barcelona.
     
  17. notFred

    notFred New Member

    Apr 8, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What is "dog ball"?
     
  18. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yonko When u made reference that the midfielders in the U14 Eclipse 5-0 win over U14 Wolves should have been looking for the forwards and not scoring themselves. When u claim to be a student of the game-you should understand-even watching Barcelona that the entire unit attacks and defends as a unit. How do u know that 3 of those Eclipse players originally came from Sockers ?
     
  19. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    NotFred Dogball is being taught at many of these DA's and larger clubs. Dogball is also referred to as Dump n Chase, kick and run. Clubs are packing the box with 9 defenders and a goalie and they leave a fast forward up top and kick it to him thus playing Dogball. Clubs pack boxes to keep games close and are not allowing the kid's to play the ball out of box. Smacking the ball forward should only be as last resort option when u are in trouble. US youth players are not being taught to play ball from backline through the midfield and up to forwards because the emphasis is on winning by any means. When you pack the box u are in any game with any opponent-check out U14 Magic results from Dallas Cup March 2010. They play this unattractive soccer but were competetive at Dallas.
     
  20. be_cool

    be_cool New Member

    Apr 20, 2010
    You don't have to be Y.O.N.K.O. to know you're an "Outlaw" and where you came from. Your reputation precedes you my friend.
     
  21. Crystal Palace 90

    Crystal Palace 90 New Member

    Nov 20, 2007
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    Ha Ha, but be_cool, can you keep Pace with YONKO's vast knowledge of Chicago youth soccer though?
     
  22. Not Vago

    Not Vago Member

    Mar 19, 2008
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are so wrong, I'm not sure why I even bother. None of the 3 Academy teams in Chicago even remotely play that style. You are just repeating a really old and tired notion that the players at large clubs don't know how to play "real" soccer and only play to win. Hell, even my son's high school team played attractive soccer, and we know what guys like you think of High School Soccer. You really should get out more.
     
  23. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    be_cool What kind of style does the Outlaws play. Wide open attack utilizing all the players on the pitch. Its what soccer is all about. Let Yonko answer for herself.
     
  24. Bacala

    Bacala New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Vago Chicago Magic currently plays that DogBall style. Sockers only can play a wide open game as they currently hide their U14 team only allowing them to play against opponents they are sure to beat-they wont be able to hide state cup time. They held their team out of Nike Cup this past weekend. All 3 DA's in the area play a stiff robotic type of soccer-very little mobility and ZERO creativity. Exact style our US men's National team plays. USMNT defense is slow and uncoordinated, their midfield does not possess any style or creativity and their idea of offense is to play Dogball to an undersized forward and let him run-BORING but this is the model DA's are following because they dont know any better. H.S. soccer might look attractive depending where u come from. If you come from a travel/rec team im sure it looks great !!! But it is a step down from real soccer.
     
  25. UofIneedssoccer

    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    We will see when the Eclipse falls in the State Cup you will come up with some execuse to why they did not need to win The same excuse that is being used for the tie to Ft. Wayne and just the one goal to win over the last place team in the MRL with the wide open attacking offense that they have LOL Good Luck they will do well .:) But cut the BS about dogball and wide open attacking teams . All teams when they are being attacked will go to the dogball style of playing and we will see what the Eclipse has with their first opponenets the Mayans . See if they can handle the speed upfront because as of this writing they have not played any team with that type of speed yet. And yes I have seen their opponnets this year one last thing no more post from me until the State Cup begins LOL May the best team on that day win and may all teh boys stay safe and play hard Good Luck to all:)
     

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