FC Dallas Should Try An "Everyone Gets In Free" Night

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by DaveBrett, Apr 12, 2010.

  1. munichfan9

    munichfan9 BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 7, 2005
    Burke, Virginia
    title ix
     
  2. DaveBrett

    DaveBrett Member

    Nov 28, 1998
    Austin, Texas
    Really? Where can I find this historical record? If it is part of the historical record, then it must be recorded somewhere. Did MLS put out a memo about this subject? When did you get that memo? I never got it. Since you are such an authority on this subject, I am sure you can provide documentation to prove that a single free night of soccer can't generate any new fans.

    After all, as you say, it's in the historical record.
     
  3. holiday

    holiday Member+

    Oct 16, 2007
    this imo would be impossible to execute. you'd have to evict people who are alreday in...
    but an idea does come to mind. in some places they let fans in for free after a certain point. maybe you could let folks in after halftime (50th min? 60th?). give them a taste that way. i don't know how many times you'd want to do it, if only for a couple f games, or maybe an entire season. but maybe you'd hook some people into coming 'full-time,' at least for certain games.
     
  4. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
    Yeah, I wasn't actually suggesting a team let people watch 15 minutes for free and then make them pay. I was explaining how free samples being given away would aptly compare to a free sample of a soccer game.
     
  5. roughridersten

    roughridersten New Member

    Apr 21, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As for the discussion about the economics of tickets: the concept you are trying to hit on but missing is elasticity of demand. If there is inelastic demand, then you would be right in assuming lowering ticket prices would lead to lower revenue. If, on the other hand, demand is elastic, lowering ticket prices will increase the quantity demanded by enough to offset the lower prices. So the question really is: is the demand for ticket prices in Dallas inelastic or elastic?

    In my opinion (not based on research) there are probably segments of the customer base that fall under both categories. There are the fans that attend now, and would likely do so at even higher prices, but there are also soccer fans where a few bucks can go a long way. Luckily for a soccer stadium, the different seating areas already provide a way to differentiate between these groups. If I were working for FCD, I would be lowering that bottom ticket level to 15 dollars instead of 20. Also, I would most definitely be running promotions on local campuses and offering student discounts. Students have extremely elastic demand so a few dollars off will certainly help. Also, as the promotions are run on campus and you must have a student id to qualify, and the tickets are for the cheaper sections anyways, you are not "devaluing" the game or ripping off full paying customers.

    I haven't been to a game in a few years because it is expensive (I would bring my date too). I remember at the end of last season I heard about them offering "all you can eat" tickets and such at the end of the season. Thats a promotion that would work. I would have gone to the games too, but I couldn't make the dates or they were sold out by the time I went to purchase a ticket.

    I have thought FCD should have been marketing to college students for years (I am a senior at UTD). UTD is a Division 3 school in sports, so there really isn't that much competition. I have many many friends I discuss European football with all the time, so there is no lack of soccer fans on campus. I am surprised all the time with how many people will join in on a discussion about the Premier or Champions League.

    What I am trying to say is there is a huge untapped market for their product. Oh well, their loss I guess...
     
  6. ritsoccer86

    ritsoccer86 Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    FCD.

    What a joke of a team and franchise.

    They play at PIZZA HUT PARK for gods sake! The name just sounds like it's a Disney Park for kids to blow their horns.

    What a freakin' joke.

    My analogy of this club is this: Remember the ugly girl you slept with years ago that was a mistake? Well FCD is exactly that for MLS.

    *face palms*
     
  7. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no frame of reference for your analogy.
     
  8. whiteisthecolour

    whiteisthecolour Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Miyazaki, Japan
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I just watched game highlight and am equally disappointed with the brutal reffing (last penalty kick - was the player even touched by a Sounder?) and the low turnout. Except for the supporters section (good on you guys) everywhere the camera panned thruout the hilite package sections upon sections of empty seats. They reported 8k plus, but there is no way that was even close to 8k. Lucky to be 5k.

    It so crazy to have a league where some cities seem crazy about their clubs and other cities barely acknowledge the clubs' existences.
     
  9. mrecint

    mrecint New Member

    May 31, 2006
    Fishers, IN
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dallas shouldn't even have a team. The attendance was pathetic tonight and that PK was probably called for sympathy.

    On a serious note, I think that refs should be fined after the fact if the league reviews a call like that and shows that the dude took a dive...
    I think they should ban the player for 1 game, even though they got the goal, he and the team could be punished. Doing this could cause less diving in the box...
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You have to have a quality product before an "everyone gets in free" will draw anyone into coming back and if this game is any indication, MLS doesn't have that quality product. Neither team showed up to play and the reffing was horrid the entire game.
     
  11. CakeYear

    CakeYear Member

    none
    Jun 22, 2007
    Inglewood, Ca.
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy

    I don't even think having a quality product can help this franchise
     
  12. ritsoccer86

    ritsoccer86 Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Exactly my thoughts.

    To be honest, the investment of where to put the stadium (whether owned by the city/FCD) is one of the worst I have ever seen. Sure MLB has teams that don't pack it in but thats MLB (which is typical).

    The "if you build it, they will come" mantra does not always work.
     
  13. murtaugh

    murtaugh Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    CC: Andy Swift
    CC: Greg Elliott
    CC: Michael Hitchcock
    CC: Former Dallas Ticket Sales Directors Light Opera Society
     
  14. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CC: Whoever the hell was running the Dallas Sidekicks back in the day
     
  15. mrecint

    mrecint New Member

    May 31, 2006
    Fishers, IN
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well whoever does marketing for FC Dallas should be fired. Their mistake was marketing the game to kids and soccer moms...
    The new model that is Philly and Seattle works. The atmosphere is set on opening game and traditions are made.
    With Seattle's 'march to the match', I wouldn't have thought that they were an expansion last season.

    I hate the stadiums with 'stages'. NYRB has it right. Make a soccer stadium and USE it for that only. Get international teams in to play friendlies...
     
  16. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like Tigres?
    [​IMG]

    Or Clube Atletico Paranaense?
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean like Wembley
    [​IMG]

    Or Old Trafford
    [​IMG]
     
  18. ritsoccer86

    ritsoccer86 Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    To sum it up, Dallas is a joke.

    IMO, it is not about marketing. It has more to do with distance to the stadium, amount of time for one to get there and finally economics. Does it make sense?

    Probably not. Such tools.
     
  19. Indiscretion

    Indiscretion Member

    Aug 6, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly I think ESPN should continue to embarrass the hell out of FCD and their FO. Keep trashing them until they do something about their attendance or ESPN refuses to show them on tv altogether(which im assuming is going to happen next year)
     
  20. Tigereye

    Tigereye Member+

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    Aug 19, 2005
    (ಠ_ಠ)┌∩┐
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    So why are other clubs that are located in cities that are larger in sheer land size, succeeding at the gate?

    In Combined Statistical Area:
    Dallas-Ft. Worth-Arlington: 24,059 km (9,286 sq mi)
    Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown:
    26,061 km (10,062 sq mi)
    Chicago-Joliet-Naperville: 28,116.9 km (10,856 sq mi)
    Los Angeles: Need I actually post this LOL!

    Point is, people in other MLS cities also have to drive to get to matches. And in some cases, it maybe a further commute then you may have in DFW.

    In there near 40 years of baseball, the Texas Rangers have never tasted playoff success. Before 1996, they hadn't even made the playoffs. Would you call that a quality product? Yet, people STILL pay overpriced tickets to see their product....

    Serious thought: Has anyone ever considered that maybe the DFW sports market as a whole, is just too over saturated for the MLS to be noticed or even survive? Not a shot at the DFW are as I want them to succeed, since they were one of the original clubs and it is a major area. But there comes a time that the league must come to grips with reality and cut bait.
     
  21. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My point was that in order for a "everyone gets in free" event to successfully bring new people to the stadium for future games, then the product has to be worth them coming back for. The point of "everyone gets in free" events is to show people that otherwise wouldn't come to a game that they can enjoy the game and that next time they'll pay for it. I was making no claims about the lack of quality on the field being responsible for FCD's attendance woes or that an improvement of quality would result in more people coming. FCD's problems has more to do with their ownership than the product they put on the field.
     
  22. BringSoccerToIndy

    May 24, 2008
    1001 West New York Street, Indianapolis, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there any way a stadium can become addicting? Like put nicotine or cocaine in the food to get people to come back?
     
  23. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    I'm willing to test this theory.
     
  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Careful. It looks like you're using actual facts about location in a Dallas or Colorado attendance thread. That's the type of thing that can get you banned by the BigSoccer group think mentality. You will be assimilated and you will blame the location for the problems in Dallas and Colorado, facts be dammed!
     
  25. BringSoccerToIndy

    May 24, 2008
    1001 West New York Street, Indianapolis, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I demand that someone carries me to all MLS matches so I don't have to drive.
     

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