Everton & The American Market

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  1. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    17,000 is very poor in 1 of the biggest cities in the states.

    Astros get double this
    Texans are at about 70ish?

    If 1 of the biggest American cities cant generate more than 25 + for Soccccer then my point remains
     
  2. cowboypb

    cowboypb Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    The Bayou City
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    If your point is that you refuse to listen to anyone else's point - you have made it :)

    I have already claimed it is faulty logic to use MLS attendance in this argument but if you insist we could go back and forth (except I won't be doing that other than this once):

    Texans play 8 home games - coming to around 560k home attendance in a season.

    Dynamo play 15 home games - coming to 255k home attendance.

    Not a bad comparison for a league barely over 10 years in existence. But I am sure we can play numbers games all day if we like - the fact remains there are plenty of EPL fans spread across the US that never attend MLS games for various reason - just as I did not until an MLS team came to Houston.

    Anyway - interesting - wish you guys a great day! :D
     
  3. ark215

    ark215 Member

    Jan 16, 2009
    America
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pizza Hut Park has a max capacity of 20.5k.
     
  4. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is such a pointless thread it really is. It's like knitting fog. None of this matters does it. What does make sense is investing into a growing market. No matter what your hatred of America, the population of their country dictates that there will be a really world class player coming from there if the sport continues to grow and if we can get him at Everton. Then that makes sense to me. I don't care where any player is from, as long as he does well for the team.
     
  5. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Difference between listening and thinking what you say is complete rubbish, but you carry on thinking its what you said
     
  6. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    MLS been going how long......17yrs?

    When is this world class player going to emerge? So your arguement that a WC player will emerge doesnt stand
     
  7. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    So you're saying players like Clint Dempsey, Tim Howard and Landon Donovan aren't too good for the MLS? There's been many good American players and they've steadily gotten better, from your Roy Wegerle's and Cobi Jones's right up to your Landons. America are improving and if you want to ignore that, that's your own mistake. In the next 10 years one of the top 20 players in the world will be American.

    Need I remind you of a certain player who came from a poor domestic league took on the world with Manchester United and was said to be one of the best players to play the game? Your argument is ridiculous.
     
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  8. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Which of them are world class? Answer none

    As for your prediction of the next 10yrs, what are you smoking? I suggest you stop immediately.
    As for the united reference, i have no idea to whom your referring
     
  9. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Then you have zero Football knowledge it seems. Ever heard of George Best? He came from a country so small it has but two speed cameras. Their Football League isn't even as good as MLS, and none of their players are world class in the present time. The closest they have is Jonny Evans, yet there you have it, George Best became one of the worlds best players but came from a small country with a bad league. USA is a huge country with a mediocre league, it just makes sense that with a huge population that is becoming more and more interested in football, that it's going to happen.
     
  10. Alan_V

    Alan_V Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    Anaheim, CA via NJ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure about the avg. gate, but the Home Depot Ctr. (Galaxy) is 27,000 after adding 7,000 seats since I was last there ( 2 years +).
     
  11. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS' team in Seattle is doing very well attendance-wise.

    In their first season last year, Seattle had an average attendance of 30,897.

    And in yesterday's home opener, Seattle had an attendance of 36,300.


    EPL and MLS attendance from last season:

    Manchester United..................75,304
    Arsenal..................................60,039
    Newcastle United.....................48,749
    Liverpool................................43,611
    Manchester City......................42,900
    Chelsea.................................41,588
    Sunderland.............................40,168
    Aston Villa..............................39,811
    Tottenham Hotspur..................35,928
    Everton.................................35,667
    West Ham United.....................34,226
    Seattle Sounders..................30,897
    Middlesbrough.........................28,428
    Stoke City..............................26,993
    West Bromwich Albion...............25,827
    Hull City..................................24,816
    Fulham...................................24,340
    Blackburn Rovers.....................23,479
    Bolton Wanderers.....................22,485
    Los Angeles Galaxy...............20,416
    Toronto FC...........................20,344

    Portsmouth............................19,829
    Wigan Athletic........................18,350
    Houston Dynamo..................17,047
    Real Salt Lake.......................16,375
    DC United.............................16,088
    Chivas USA..........................15,092
    Chicago Fire.........................14,689
    Columbus Crew....................14,447
    San Jose Earthquakes...........14,114
    New England Revolution........13,732
    New York Red Bulls................12,491
    FC Dallas.............................12,441
    Colorado Rapids...................12,331
    Kansas City Wizards.............10,053
     
  12. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    You do know Besty didnt play in the Norn Irish league till much later in his career dont you? Of course you did as you wouldnt make such a big gaffe. He was brought over as a very young kid and put through their academy.
    Still waiting for this World Class player to come from the land of the idiot....sorry brave!
     
  13. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You're missing the point, I know full well about George Best. The point is, that your problem with America is that they're shit and have a shit league and produce no talent. NI are shit and have a shit league yet they produced George Best.
     
  14. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Best was 15 when he signed by Man United -- hardly "very young" in those days.

    Best was already a skilled player at age 15, and Man United's academy had little to do with his progress.
     
  15. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Well you havent produced any, so when you do you can bring this point up with me. I will be waiting a very long time for the land of idiot to produce a world class player
     
  16. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Tony is from England.
     
  17. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    And?

    Were talking about america, do try and keep up
     
  18. ark215

    ark215 Member

    Jan 16, 2009
    America
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are yall arguing about now? I thought this was about the American market.
     
  19. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    You said to Tony

    He's from England, not America as your talking about...

    Keep up.
     
  20. ark215

    ark215 Member

    Jan 16, 2009
    America
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyway getting back on topic. Look at the group of guys we were linked with during the transfer window. We were primarily interested in loan moves during the winter transfer window. The majority of these guys are attacking players. Now notice the dates. We continued to pursue additional attacking players after we got Donovan. The majority of those guys do not have any more EPL experience than Donovan and are around the level of Donovan. Now how many of them have taken a large share of corners, free kicks and penalty kicks for their club and country (something that we were missing with Arteta out)? How many play wide and have speed (something missing from Everton's attack)? And how many of them have been known for their work rate to get back and help their defenders? And how many of them earn around $43k/wk?

    That is why I've been saying it wasn't primarily about getting Americans to buy into the Everton brand. For Moyes, it was a no brainer. If it didn't work out, the cost was minimal. There was a gamble since Donovan didn't fare well when he went to the Bundesliga but we have seen what he did outside of those years. So for 430k I think it was worth a gamble on someone who had the qualities that the team was desperately lacking either because of injuries or never having the players with those qualities on the team already. Any additional Everton merchandise sold to Americans would be a bonus or American sponsorships.

    Rumors via ToffeeWeb:

    Dec 8 - Landon Donovan (USA) Deal done on Dec 18
    Dec 15 - Lewis Holtby (GER)
    Dec 16 - Samuel Galindo (BOL) - Signed with Arsenal
    Dec 22 - Manuel Fernandez (POR)
    Dec 22 - Jose Antonio Reyes (ESP)
    Dec 26 - Jo on his way out
    Dec 30 - Rod Fanni (FRA)
    Jan 4 - Matthew Kilgallon (ENG)
    Jan 6 - Benni McCarthy (RSA)
    Jan 7 - Maxime Lestienne (BEL)
    Jan 18 - Jemaine Beckford (ENG)
    Jan 19 - Onder Turac (TUR)
    Jan 21 - Andras Gosztonyi (HUN)
    Jan 21 - Jan Mucha (SLV)
    Jan 21 - Philippe Senderos (SWI)
    Jan 23 - Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (NED)
    Jan 24 - Razak Boukari (TOG)
    Jan 24 - Charlie Adam (SCO)
    Jan 25 - Even Hovland (NOR)
    Jan 29 - Knut Olav Rindaroy (NOR)
    Deadline
    Feb 1 - Axel Witsel (BEL)

    Bolded are the signings/loans completed.
     
  21. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    He was speaking from an American POV. I couldnt care less where Tony is from quite frankly, quite obvious to all what i was getting at....well maybe not all! LOL
     
  22. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Quite a few on that list i would have over LD and quite a few that scream out
     
  23. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Ahhhh! Excellent. Reminds me of myself after the 1994 WC. That exposure made me a fan for life. Had they shown the sport on TV more than once or twice a year before then, I probably would've been a fan from childhood.

    It's amazing to think about now, how a whole generation (my own) grew up playing youth soccer, coached primarily by dads and converted American football/basketball, etc coaches who had never played the game and learned everything they knew out of coaching seminars taught mostly by British ex-pats (or those who learned from them), and very few of us had ever even seen a professional match growing up, apart from a few who saw the odd NASL match here or there. I remember my friends and I watching and re-watching that movie "Victory" over and over again, because that was pretty much the only "professional" soccer we ever got to see... and that was to real soccer as "Rocky" is to real boxing. In high school I--like all the rest--quit playing soccer for football, and why? Because we simply didn't have a chance to give the game a chance.

    Then the World Cup came and that changed everything. Slowly but surely.

    When the boomers are gone (who have never and who will never follow this sport by-and-large, except of course immigrants), the Gen Xers are the older generation, and the kids playing the sport now (actually being able to see the game on TV and growing up knowing what the professional version of the sport looks like, my how things have changed already!) are adults, then this game will have a fairly widespread, mainstream following in the States.
     
  24. ark215

    ark215 Member

    Jan 16, 2009
    America
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which ones fit those criteria especially the wages part?
     
  25. StickyToffee

    StickyToffee Red Card

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    There your criteria, not mine.

    If you want someone who is just quick we could have signed Usain Bolt
     

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