Ronaldo Nazario - does he deserve a chance w/ the NT?

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  1. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What's even more funny is that we haven't seen a certain poster around here for a while who defends Ronaldo tooth and nail. Maybe when he scores a goal off a rebound or Jorge Henrique leaves him with an open net in front of him vs Racing (URU) this week, he will come back and bow down to Ronaldo.
     
  2. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'll make a plead! :p ...
     
  3. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    You need to allow time for him to do some nightclub activities with those
    t-vestites!!!

    He can't do everything st same time....
     
  4. mak9

    mak9 Member

    May 21, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    did anyone watch the racing game?

    Why would he let his ex-wife come watch? It was funny, she was cheering and excited while his son wasn't amused....
     
  5. reelmaad

    reelmaad New Member

    Oct 22, 2004
    What rock you've been under, everybody knows she is a Corinthians-fanatic.

    All two goals had R9's blessing.

    Hes rounding keepers, running through defense, megging mofos and most importantly he bald headed....again

    Its on bitches...WC2010 here we come
     
  6. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Not to mention how fast he's been running. The problem with him has been playing several games at a stretch. If he can do that, then he should certainly go to the WC instead of those useless Nilmar/Hulk/Fred/Love types.
     
  7. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Hey,

    Getting old, huh?...

    Nilmar at least is VERY good.

    Getting Ronaldo-nostalgic, mate? :p ...
     
  8. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    :confused: what game were you watching.

    Ronaldo so far this season [​IMG]
     
  9. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Cant believe he's going to retire.

    I was wondering where the hell he'd been so far.

    Is he going to play against Santos?
     
  10. urubudagavea

    urubudagavea New Member

    May 5, 2009
    setor verde
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The group going to SA is pretty much closed. Ronaldo nor RG are going to SA with Dunga in command. He just said this morning on Globo why should I change when Luis Fabiano, Julio Baptista, Robinho, and Nilmar are doing good?
     
  11. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    LMAO. Just because he touched the ball in the sequence of plays that led to the goals means he was the cause of the goal? They weren't assisted by him. He didn't make any spectacular play that setup the goal. The best thing he did all night was meg those two defenders and suffer a foul.

    He missed several opportunities in front of goal. He hasn't shown anything this year worthy of making Dunga call him up over Adriano, Nilmar or Robinho. Ronaldo will be sitting on the coach at home with a Brahma watching the Cup. I guarantee it.
     
  12. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I still believe RG has a shot. He has been in good form, unlike Ronaldo. Ronaldo has no chance of making it.
     
  13. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    for all those who still want RG to play in the world cup - in what capacity do you honestly and realistically think he can play for the NT?

    he hasn't seen any minutes since early 2009 and the NT has proved that they can win without him.

    i think his off-field antics is what is preventing dunga from making him a regular on the team.
     
  14. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I am neutral to RG, however I could easily see him being an impact sub.

    for all RG's laziness, for all his non running at players as much anymore, he's still infinitely better than Baptista in any role or Diego for example.
     
  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    He's an excellent sub for the times in which we have a difficulty breaking down teams who are bunkering. It just takes one precise pass, which he has shown he can do with Milan, to break open the game. He can either play in Robinho's position, Kaka's or Elano's.
     
  16. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Whatever. The current Ronaldo does not deserve a place ahead of Robinho, Adriano, or Fabiano; however, he is definitely a better candidate for the WC than Nilmar. Nilmar may have scored his single great goal last year, but he has been, more often than not, struggling wherever he's been to. And, he has't been to great places (clubs, tournaments) yet. He is no Edmundo or Elber, and those guys weren't good enough for the WC. So, what will Nilmar do on that stage? Dunga's got to take Ronaldinho and Pato. If Pato is unavailable, then R9.
     
  17. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Ronaldo should go instead of Adriano. Adriano has nothing on him. Fabiano is first choice by merit but when he gets injured or the going gets tough in a WC game, I'd rather have Ronaldo as a lifeline than Adriano. Adriano at Flamengo has been a targetman scoring headers and penalties and he has a better squad, Ronaldo has a better all round game.
     
  18. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ronaldo is finished.

    Nowadays he's more of an ambassador of football for Brazil & wouldn't endure a tough tournament like a World Cup.

    Neymar, 17, from Santos would be a good idea: today he destroyed Ronaldo's Corinthians for the São Paulo Championship (with R9 in the pitch).;)
     
  19. kingkong1

    kingkong1 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Rio, Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ronaldo is finished.

    Nowadays he's more of an ambassador of football for Brazil & wouldn't endure a tough tournament like a World Cup.

    Neymar, 17, from Santos could be a good idea: today he destroyed Ronaldo's Corinthians for the São Paulo Championship (with R9 in the pitch).;)

    http://globoesporte.globo.com/Espor...ampeonato_Paulista/0,,MUL1509324-9839,00.html

    But we still have Nilmar, more experienced & exceptional.
     
  20. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    How many times have we heard Ronaldo is finished and he still keeps scoring and pulling off moves that most others can dream of. Nobody is saying Ronaldo should spearhead Brazil at the WC, Luis Fabiano is obviously the main man, but coming off the bench helping out with his experience he would offer more than Adriano at least. Its not like Brazil currently has a huge pool of awesome strikers to choose from. Grafite, Tardelli, Hulk, Sobis... These guys are not better than Ronaldo, and neither is Adriano. The problem with Adriano besides becoming basically the tap in striker at Flamengo is that he's simply not someone who you can rely on to stay mentally strong in such important moments. He's way too unpredictable and unstable, personally I would never consider for the selecao someone who ran away from Inter the way he did and went AWOL for weeks.

    Now Neymar... if he continues like this until May, I'd forget about both Adriano and Ronaldo and take him to South africa.
     
  21. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What have you been watching? Adriano scored like 2-3 headers and 4 penalties last year out of his 19 goals. In other words, not even half of his goals resulted from either of those methods you stated. Corinthians is one of the favorites for the Libertadores with the signings they've made. Flamengo is better, but not significantly better to explain why Adriano is doing MUCH better than Ronaldo.

    As of today, Adriano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo. Adriano has done much more to deserve to go than Ronaldo. Even young Neymar outshined the non-existent Ronaldo in today's derby.
     
  22. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  23. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I'm not really impressed by Adriano's game. He's become a tap-in kind of striker who just finishes. Ronaldo sets up a lot as well in addition to scoring, his passing and teamwork is really stunning to watch. Anyway the only reason Adriano outscored him last season in the Brasileirao was because Ronaldo played less games. And of course the difference in quality of their respective teams. Come to think of it even now Corinthians are poor in midfield. They still cant get over Douglas and Cristian leaving, their midfield is still average except Elias but he's not a midfield general/leader, hes more of complementary marauder imo. Tcheco is decent but not the guy that will be the best midfielder in a Copa Libertadores winning team.

    What I'm saying is that Ronaldo is still slightly better than Adriano. Adriano's younger and slightly more energetic but Ronaldo is more experienced and intelligent so they nullify themselves there and Ronaldo's overall play gives him the edge. Also IMO its a bit disrespectful from Dunga to disregard Ronaldo this way as if he doesn't exist even if you don't call him up. Give some words of encouragment or something.. He's still the last real historical football legend who's still active. He's not up to the task of being Brazil's lead striker, but he's still got what it takes to be a sub. Partly because he's that good and partly because Brazil doesn't have a bunch of excellent strikers now to choose from. Grafite? Tardelli? Give me a break, its a slap in the face for Ronaldo for these to be called.

    But about Neymar I agree with you, the kid is solid gold and if he keeps this form until May I'm all for him going to the WC in the young prodigy role like Ronaldo in 1994 and Kaka in 2002.
     
  24. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    I got a quick chuckle from this. lol

    Ronaldo thus far hasn't done squat...literally he hasn't done a squat lol :D
    compared to Adriano.

    Adriano is bigger, faster, can shoot from far. HAVE YOU SEEN ADRIANO AS A PIVO!! smh. this shouldnt even be a debate. Adriano > Ronaldo. Adriano can play the pivo role better and is match fit. Ronaldo won't make it to the end of march not injured...and ima Timao.

    Neymar deserves a spot. lik mengao said. similar role as ronaldo in 94. Neymar has that certain cockiness and confidence that distinguishes hiim from the other 2 kids in his age (Coutinho and Wellington Silva). Neymar is a complete striker. he can shoot from almost anywhere and can set up a goal from almost anywhere...one of the few striker who can cross it to himself and run with spare time to wind up to score his own cross.
     
  25. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    when people talk about Ronaldo and Ronaldinho and whether or not they should be on the NT, just put into perspective Raul and his situation.

    Raul, over the past 4 years has been in better form that he was in the 4 years going into 2006 - yet he hasn't been called up once for spain since 2006 World cup. spain has moved on from raul and rebuilt a team that doesn't rely on him.

    same goes for brasil - they have built a team that has been able to win consistently without R9 and RG.

    it seems everyone is still nostalgic about RG and R9 and what they can bring to the NT and stuck on 2002. Guys we are in 2010. 2006 was a dud of a world cup for both players, so what makes you think 2010 will be any better?? both players are still a long ways from their 2006 form and light years away from their 2002 form, so what is going to change now?

    sure they're experienced players, but at their age and stage of their careers they are more like circus attractions that are being used to generate shirt sales and boost attendance for their respective clubs.
     

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