Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) Again you are completely missing the boat with this. Do you think Man U or Real or Barca look at anything other than what they can do? They don't look at resale value. Sorry. That is for Fullham or Hull or Napoli or Espanol. MLS is the same way. They don't care what they will bring if they sell them because the team itself doesn't get the full amount and it doesn't change the balance sheet the same way it does for a European club. This just isn't true. Landon Donovan is developed into a far better player Dempsey was then or is now, but Landon wouldn't command near as much as Clint because...Landon hasn't done it in England. Despite the number of solid players to have jumped the pond like Bocanegra, Bradley, Beasley, Dempsey, Nelson, John, McBride etc MLS hasn't gotten the reputation for being a sure bet buy. In 10 to 15 years MLS will get more money from its players not because the players are better, but because more players that have done well have made the transition. There are plenty of MLS players that could have made the jump and played in a top tier European league that never got the chance to prove it like Eddie Pope, Pablo Mastroeni, Shalrie Joseph, etc. If MLS sold all its good players the league would be weaker, but the value it would be able to sell its good players for would be more. You think that the scouts for teams that would pay decent funds for a transfer even care about the CCL? That's not even in the realm on consideration for something that could be possible. And yet you ignore the entire "if we pay Cooper $1 million a year we have to pay Ching, Twellman, and Buddle $1 million a year..." Its such an over simplification. Perhaps MLS is just a bit more advanced than you can comprehend, but they are setting the values they receive, the values they pay, and the quality. They are controlling all of it. Very few other leagues can even make that statement. In fact, Man U essentially can't even buy anybody worth while right now because SAF says the market is not right (due to Man City and Real overspending). This is not to say that there's no worth to players beside their performance on the pitch but a player is worth what a single buyer thinks he is worth. This is bang my head on the wall lacking insight. I wouldn't pay Tim Howard $1 million a year to play in MLS, but I might pay him $1 million a year to play at PSV but maybe $1.5 million a year to play at Everton. None of those have anything to do with Tim's value, but they do have to do with the team's budgets. Robinho was way overpaid to go to Man City because they wanted a big name...it wasn't about his ability. Players twice as good as Robinho make half as good as he does a week. 8( How? They offered him a raise every single year. Are you just making stuff up? And I'm sorry, but MLS has plenty of players that are better than Holden that are paid less than $500k like say Shalrie Joseph or Dwayne De Rosario. If they pay him $500k they have to raise the salaries of dozens of players and then the cost for giving Holden a raise is that MLS loses tons of money even if they can eventually sell Holden for $4 to $5 million. And there is no way Holden at 24 is going to go for much more than that even if he plays 2 straight seasons of 20 goal and 20 assist ball while leading the Dynamo to two CCL titles. However, if he plays half that well in the coca cola championship he would go for more than $4 million. This is silly. You are totally neglecting the other 319 cars and how selling or not selling, paying more or paying less relates to their salaries and transfer fees. You are also totally neglecting the fact that MLS seems to be able to increase their quality year by year while losing quite a few players on a free. So here is what MLS would do. They would look at the value of Pato in sponsors and tickets to the league. If he brings in $2 million in revenue and Barca is offering $10 million then they will sell him. The first thing about slightly smart people that you can notice is that they make the assumption that they are smarter than other people. The idea that MLS is run by people that aren't smart enough to figure out basic economics is just amazingly blind. No, they would give their reasonings for what they were doing. Some people would say it was idiotic, and some people would disagree. So how much did MLS turn down for Movsysian? Perhaps RSL said they didn't want to sell him period. They wanted to player. I didn't pay attention for any offers, but I did KNOW that Movsysian was planning on leaving the league on a free when he could. When someone wants to leave for free then you can't get much for selling them. Eduardo Lillingston scored 8 goals for Chivas USA, David Ferreira 8 goals for FC Dallas, and Freddei Montero 12 12 goals So there were 3 first year players that recorded 8 or more goals. There were also players like Ryan Johnson 11 goals, Dube 8 goals, and Jaqua 9 goals that joined MLS last year. So that's 3 players a year coming in scoring at the rate that Yura. And that doesn't count players like Claudio Lopez that scored 7 goals and had 8 assists in his second year. But they aren't getting nothing in return. They are getting an entire contract's worth of play. You like to do this logical gymnastics... Player A gets $50k in MLS and leaves on a free after 4 years and then plays 4 years for Aberdeen and they sell him on for $2 million so MLS missed out on $2 million. But that doesn't make any sense. You are assuming MLS would get in year 2 the value that the player is worth X (SIX?!) years later...you assume that in the final year of their contract that they would...no you say they wouldn't get value. Basically MLS gets players for free. Plays them. And then by the time they find out if they are good or not are usually unable to get a decent transfer for them. This is like Holden. He wasn't even a starter in MLS this year and yet they offered him big raises every year. He wasn't going to take it. And nobody was knocking down MLS' doors to buy him. And yet somehow they messed up on him? Anyway...
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) I'd like to point out that even when facing elimination the Dynamo didn't play their first team. They also got completely ripped off in the CCL including two phantom red cards in a game that would have changed the group. I'm really not sure they care that much nor does anybody else care that much. The question is what is a competition MLS teams WOULD care about. Its not the US Open Cup nor the CCL that's for sure.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) Add Troy Perkins to the list of player that left MLS only to return within a few years. Like I said, when you look kat the big picture, MLS really isn't losing a whole heck of a lot in the transfer market. You could easily make the argument that they gain.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) Houston lost to a Salvadoran pub team with Barney in goal. It really doesn't matter what the reason/excuse is...........MLS teams are barely competing in the CCC. Last decade we had only one MLS team reach the final of that competition. So arguing about the Copa Libertadores is a little silly. It's not happening any time soon.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) What's silly is that since MLS is in CONCACAF and Copa Libertadores is a CONMEBOL competition, MLS teams would actually have to be invited to participate. Its not like Houston can show up in Brazil and say "We Got Next."
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) People only think about it because Mexican teams play in it (or used to, wasn't there a Swine Flu-related kerfluffle?)............and MLS teams have played in Copa Sudamericana in the past. But it's not happening in the near future. 20 years from now? Maybe. Anyway, this has nothing to do with Stuart Holden.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) Even when MLS teams were in the Sudameriacana, it was based on invite. There was no qualification process.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) Yes, two teams from Mexico (Chivas and San Luis) were kicked out in last year's edition in the knockout rounds. It was a huge media disaster. However, they have been invited back to the knockout rounds and Mexican teams can qualify for the group stages again. Back to your regularly scheduled program.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) I think holden should go EPL for one or two years for money reason and I would chose burnley for playing time reasons but only if the they are in the top flight at the time also If he does stay; he should try loan himself atlist in the winter time so can develop more
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) I suspect Holden's definitely going to be in the UK. He already reportedly has a 4-year contract offer on the table from Blackburn. It was the manager at Burnley, Owen Coyle, that wanted him.........and he just moved to Bolton. Holden followed him to Bolton, and is currently training there. It's unclear if Burnley is still in the picture.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) looks like Bolton is the strongest option now .... if he does well on trial - they will evidently offer him a contract.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) Just read this thread. Wow, what an SFS beatdown. An inability to admit clearly obvious mistakes (an SFS specialty) always makes a beat down worse. I do find it ironic that he thinks MLS is leaving 10-15 mill on the table each year when it is SFS who always leads the charge to show just how little MLS players are worth in the transfer market, and how Yanks way overstate their worth. The irony and hypocrisy are just to delicious to pass up noting. Oh yeah. Way overstated your case. Holden will be succesfull wherever goes. He has what it takes, and I agree with SFS. If Holden hadn't been beaten in England and stayed there, he very easily could be part of the Tartan Army right now. Have to thank the hooligan.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) we can have a reverse-Beckham situation and just keep picking him up on loan after the EPL season is over.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) Well, consider the source, the SBI has the mirror reporting that Stu is going to Portugal to play for Sporting Braga (who are currently tied for first with Benfica). http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_...ml#comment-6a00e54ef2975b8833012876edac30970c
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) That's being reported by multiple sources now. All of a sudden, the Portuguese have realized there's talent in America. I think there are now five Americans in Portugal. Kamani Hill at Guimarães, Tony Taylor and Bryan Arguez at Estoril, Gale Agbossoumonde at Braga...........and it's being reported that Holden is joining him at Braga. We know that Taylor, Arguez, and Gale are there due to the influence of Traffic. But this one seems outside of that box.
Re: Holden has Options (Dynamo, Burnley, Blackburn, SPL, more?) http://www.noshortcorners.com/ UPDATE: The Holden-to-Braga report is full-on hokum. I do not know where the UK scribes get this stuff. I've spoken to the club, who have already made their full allotment of five winter moves (league rules). In a word, Braga says it's 'impossible'.
Houston Dynamo Give Up On Re-Signing Holden Dynamo Concede Defeat In Chase To Re-Sign Holden - MLS Daily "We're certainly disappointed that Stuart is not returning to the Dynamo," Dynamo chief operating officer Chris Canetti. "We made a lucrative offer to him and made the best effort to re-sign him. As is his right, he sought other opportunities to find something that he thought would be best suited for him personally."
Re: Houston Dynamo Give Up On Re-Signing Holden too bad. i was hoping he'd stick around in the league for another couple years. and just curious, let's say in the new cba, they add some sort of free agency. if holden hasn't signed with a euro squad by then, could/would he sign with another mls team?
Re: Houston Dynamo Give Up On Re-Signing Holden if he rides the bench on his new team consider me pissed.....we dont need world cup starters on the bench(yes i know there are some who play that role already)
Re: Houston Dynamo Give Up On Re-Signing Holden He was asked this on a USMNT online chat by a Seattle fan and his response was "Seattle is a nice city, but Htown for me" or some such.
Re: Houston Dynamo Give Up On Re-Signing Holden Hes leaving on a free, so Houston would retain his rights similar to the Danny Califf situation. The only way a team loses those rights is if they receive allocation compensation, then use at least a portion of it, as in the case of Landon Donovan.
Re: Houston Dynamo Give Up On Re-Signing Holden Who knows what the new CBA will read when it eventually is worked out but I would assume that players that left during the old CBA would be subject to those conditions. Of course, you know what happens when you assume. Disappointing but not surprising. I think many Houston fans thought this was inevitable for quite some time now.
Re: Houston Dynamo Give Up On Re-Signing Holden No, because Califf has been gone alot longer than 2 years.