WC 2010 Draw Thread

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  1. jd34

    jd34 Red Card

    Dec 5, 2009
    Lady Donovan doing a Beckham and going on loan in the new year until his joker league starts up again. He'll be going to Everton. Good chance to study this player more as he's the US's key player, plus a good chance to roughen him up and see how he'll cope in a real league with real men and players, maybe send him back to america with an injury or two ;)
     
  2. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    good spot.
     
  3. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    He did the same last year with Bayern Munich and came back in the best form of his career.
     
  4. jd34

    jd34 Red Card

    Dec 5, 2009
    What, by contributing practically nothing at Bayern?
     
  5. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Apparently. So perhaps this year he'll contribute absolutely nothing at Everton at all and win the golden boot.
     
  6. jd34

    jd34 Red Card

    Dec 5, 2009
    LOL :p
     
  7. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Honestly, it seems it had everything to do with his mindset. For most of his career up to around, he was relatively content to let "good enough" be, but that little stint seems to have played a role in changing his mind about that. At this point, he seems a lot more motivated to elevate his career to the next level. I think Beckham going to LA probably had something to do with that as well.
     
  8. thebes20

    thebes20 New Member

    Jul 30, 2009
    IF he goes and it looks like it is in the late stages of being a done deal. The US should send him over in "bubble wrap", since everyone knows that he is the star of the US team. He is the player that they can not do without. Have to admit, if it goes through, kudos to him for trying. It could work out that he does not succeed or he might get injuried. He is taking a big chance.
     
  9. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    He's not taking any more of a chance than any other player who's continuing to play games. He's unlikely to play a lot at the beginning, as has been the case with most of his loan moves.
     
  10. jd34

    jd34 Red Card

    Dec 5, 2009
    Most likely start on the bench and then get introduced to the games slowly, later starting. I can definitely see him play in the FA Cup game though.
     
  11. FootballfanUSA

    FootballfanUSA New Member

    Feb 11, 2008
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its hard to support the USA team its just they dont play great football, I did see them play Spain and defeat them 0:2, but they were only defending a onslaught of perfection, I miss the World Cup team of 2002, the last time i seen them play good football was a defeat against Germany 0:1 they were doing good on offence but fail to make the finishing touches, i hope they bring that magic back here, Charlie Davies is a pretty good player and i hope he recovers in time to play England in hes first World Cup, My thoughts on the draw, I rather the USA play some other team then England but any team like Germany, Brasil, Argentina would be better then England so its ok to be drawn with England then getting the super power football teams.
     
  12. thebes20

    thebes20 New Member

    Jul 30, 2009
    Actually it means more to him and the US team. (Especially since he failed in Germany). He is the heart and soul of the US team. If he goes down, then with the other US injuries, they stand little chance of advancing. He is taking a HUGE chance given the fact that he is what is left of the US team.
     
  13. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Argentina and Germany are not better than England.
     
  14. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    funny to see all these yanks crawl out of the woodwork who blatantly don't watch the games.

    Although in fairness, most news sites over here seem to have the same problem. People who haven't watched any recent games and have no clue giving their comments.
     
  15. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    haha The argies were atrocious in qualifying. Its clear that these newbs dont ever watch any relevant games.
     
  16. Amdrag

    Amdrag Member+

    Jun 10, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Which is clearly irrelevant. They are loaded with talent and have shown a trend for showing up for the big games at the big tournaments over the last thirty years. Talking about a teams chances this far out from the World Cup is pretty much all about passing the time.

    Brazil in 2002 comes to mind.
     
  17. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    They are managed by the erratic Maradona who is clearly unsuited to management. But I dont want to get drawn into a futile argument about the argies anyway. Just having a dig at the USA newb who came into the thread.
     
  18. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    So you'd rather he not play for 6 months and lose form while put into a full body cast to make sure he's not injured? That makes no sense.

    Argentina are talented up front, but their defense? Ugh. They're still starting Heinze and Coloccini, ffs. One has now been dumped to the French league (and was already over the hill the last world cup) the other shipped goals for fun at Newcastle. Who else is there? Walter Samuel? Past it. (Some might argue he never had it, of course.) Garay? Not playing for Real. Demichelis? Decent, not great. Sometimes traditional powerhouses just don't have the same talent they usually do. (Like the Germany of Euro 2K - they were terrible.) In this case, its Argentina.
     
  19. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    This team is probably stronger than the 1986 side though, and they ended up as champions.
     
  20. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    They had Maradona. This version of Argentina doesn't.
     
  21. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    No, but it does have Messi. Messi is probably a better and more consistent player now than Maradona was going into that WC. What happens when they get there is another matter.
     
  22. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    and how is messis form under maradonna? the answer is...not good

    argentinma have a talented squad, so what

    england had talented squads with shit managers, look what happened
     
  23. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    But they're fundamentally different players. Messi plays within the system (and at the moment is doing it quite poorly for Argentina). Maradona was the system for Argentina. I don't think there's any reason to expect Messi to even approach Maradona's 86 form in this tournament. He has never played particularly well for Argentina, in fact. And now with a shaky defense behind him and a coach who has no business being there? I see no reason to favor Argentina over England. Of course, I don't think England are favorites either.
     
  24. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Argentina has more talent in attack than England has had in generations. That's why they're dangerous. They aren't putting it together right now, but they can at any time.
     
  25. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Their attack is not that great - purely because so many of their forwards are similar or similarly lightweight. A great attack has variation and Argentina lacks that. Aside from the dodgy defence it was also their inability to score consistently which really held them back in qualifying, 23 goals scored which was level with Venezuala and only 1 more than Bolivia and Ecuador.

    Unless they get Hiddink or another competent coach in they aren't going far. Even then the lack of a genuinely strong targetman to play off will make them containable by a well organised and experienced defence which makes them play in front of them.
     

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