And who then qualifies for the Copa Libertadores? What formats are used in other S. Smerican countries(except Brasil)?
The demand for the game is unquenchible first off. The local championships and libertadores have been playing multiple championships for 100 years now. Libertadores being older than any european tournament the 1st int tournament. Simply why play in an international game? Because it is global. The top 5 teams from every country in SA play each other a home and away game to make it fair. Everyone in SA participates. So every body is SA plays more than two actually. the winner of Lbertadores plays the winner of the UEFA cup so now Boca Juniors and AC Milan face each other for the intercontinental title in December of this year in japan.
I can talk about brazil = too many teams and like 3 tournaments, BIG COUNTRY all in suramerica play 2 tournaments: apertura and clausura few years back the logic game was the winner of both tourneys to meet in december for the grand finale... then economic reasons and more interest was develop, with the argentinian Idea of crowning one team every 5 months (after 30 days or so of rest, for trades and such) for example: colombia looked into that type of tournaments and increased attendance at the end of both tournaments big time. They send to copa Libertadores the winner of the first tournament and the winner of the 2nd tournament, but they wave 3 spots to fill, so they look at the best team (different than the 2 last champs) with the more points in the 10 months of footy. Did that make anysense to you? the experts for chile = metrochile and peru = vico or condor11 will be here later with their countries format, thanks for the question.
You missunderstud me, I was asking why they play two national championships within a year, the apertura and the clausura.
Many leagues in Europe take a month off in the winter but then the same competition goes on. Why couldn't that work for Argentina? Do clubs get relegated and promoted every six months? Who qualifies for the Copa Libertadores from Argentina? Is there a national cup?
all countries in the north side of conmebol, take 50 days from dec 24 or 25 off.... during june, they take 30 days only, give or take a day. and 3 or 4 ligas in deep south (summer time) play in late jan..... right now is their winter, and then recess is 50 t0 55 days in southern countries. Remember is 2 different Hemisfers (ecuador makes the line) can not compare to euros! I think
So is the climate the reson why there are two champions a year in Argentina? Is that what you are saying?
no - that is not the reason for 2 tournaments the wheater only affect time off the field in each area, in argentina they will start Today torneo clausura.... after a month off, may be 40 days or so In europe they will stay off the field for another 3 weeks, right? from argies, copa Libertadolares, takes 4 teams 2 champs and the best in points from the 2 tourneys (different than champs).... the 4th team I have no clue how they pick them. yes, to relegation question... they use the system, but any of the 2 marios of the forum may expan on that.
I think the reason is that people love soccer in South America and Europe so much, that we wish the season went on all year round. That just wouldn't be possible. The NBA, NFL, NHL season don't last more than 6 months ( I believe) In the same way, soccer seasons don't last more than 6 months. But people want more soccer, so why not play two seasons and then have a champion based on points or the winner of a game between the two champions.
besides the brutal game of NFl can not take more than 17 games a yr.... players will be on therapy for a long time, no wonder they have 53 on rosters! yeah, danRod, that is a good was to put it, we love futbol and is the more important (only) game in suramerica I know that brazil, urus and argies had a basketball season, but is probably not as long as the NBA... venezuela, has strong preference for Baseball, but never as long as Mjor league Base.....How they do that en venezuela? How many months off for futbol liga, 2tourneys? argieS: Just promoted 2 teams, ATLETICO RAFAELA AND QUILMES, What do they do in venezuela?
Part of the reason we have two smaller tournaments is to keep the big teams, like Boca or River, from running away with it and making the second half meaningless. If you start from scratch with a new tournament half way through the year, the theory goes, you create more interest in the tournament. Especially for fans of the smaller teams. This shorter tournament idea is sort of in between the USA system in which everything comes down to one last match, and the European system in which sometimes you play for weeks a tournament which has already been long decided. A short tournament is likelier to produce a close finish, but without making it all come down to one match, winner take all.
This is the best explanation I've read so far. Does make sense, but I still think one championship per year would be better. How old is this format?
I strike out with this new pitcher! is all yours david Pablo..........half of your answer was in my 1st time at the plate (when I mentioned economic interests and fan Interest) you hit it on the nail, as you mention support for lil teams.
Every 3 years there's a relegation process that it's decided on a coefficient calculated between matches played and points gained in these years: 2000/2001, 2001/2002, 2002/2003, last season Huracan and Union went straight to B Nacional (Second category) and Talleres de Córdoba (17th) and Nueva Chicago (18th) fought a two legged series promotion matches against San Martín de Mendoza and Argentinos Juniors respectively.
Relagation This relagation format is so unfair to newly promoted teams! That being said, I still love it!!
What's Apertura/clausura tournament? Let's say you have 20 teams in a league. In the first round a team plays 19 games (against every other team in the league). Is this what is normally called Apertura? and then the play the other 19 games. Is that clausura? or do they play all 34 games once (apertura) and then they play another 34 games (clausura) thanks.
IS THE NAME FOR 2 tournaments played in argentina every yr. few yrs ago it was one single champion per calendar year, now apertura crowns a champ and so with clausura. Most southamerican ligas have that format now.
Re: What's Apertura/clausura tournament? Yes Yes Not sure about this, but I think clubs are relegated/promoted at the end of the clausura (or apertura) based on the number of points gained from BOTH tournaments combined. aka, a champion for each competition is determined after 19 matches (half a calender year) but relegation is determined after 34 matches (full calender year). Again, I'm not 100% positive about the relegation part.
Venezuela takes about one month off between the Apertura and Clausura, and about 2 months between Clausura and Apertura, but we have about 3 week break-periods to allow the national team to train well for Qualifiers... We play two tournaments (Apertura and Clausura), and in the old format of the libertadores the two winners of the short tournaments would go to the libertadores and then you add up the points from both tournaments and whomever two teams had the highest point tally (and weren't the winners of the APertura o Clausura) would go to the Merconorte (or Sudamericana now). Relegation is determined by that final year table with the points from both tournaments, the one with the lowest point tally in the year descends directly and the second from the bottom, plays a 2 game play-off with the runners up in the snd Division. The year champion is the winner of a two game final between the winner of the Apertura vs. the winner of the Clausura
Argentina plays two tournaments a year ... Apertura and Clausura. The reason is for interest. A shorter tournament creates expectation til the end, since there are less games. The increased interest translates into a healthier financial outcome. There is a pattern lately which I will interpret at this point. Boca for example, tends to win Apertura tournament, the one ending in December. The reason? Because during the Clausura they are playing the Libertadores Cup. So it almost means AFA created a 2nd tournament for the other teams in Argentina to win while Boca wins the Libertadores. The last paragraph was a joke ... but it could very well be true. Lastly, for the relegation. The averages determined for the relegation go, as Mario said, up to three years back. Total points divided by # of games. Teams with 2 years in first division or with one year use the same average calculation. Once a year are the averages calculated, and teams being relegated are replaced by the ones qualifying from the 2nd Division tournament. Having said this ... based on the past four years, it is very unprobable that Boca will win the Clausura. they will focus on their 6th Libertadores (4th in 5 years) Or maybe this time they win both fronts.
especially with all the speculation regarding Cardozo's transfer (is Bianchi looking for Tevez' replacement???)
Go here: http://www.argentinesoccer.com/indexen.html and click on the 'relegation' link on the left (near the top) to see the current relegation table (sometimes an example is the best way to understand it). After the Clausara ends (19 games from now) the bottom 2 in this table get relegated directly! 17th and 18th placed teams go into a 2-legged relegation playoff with 2 second-division teams. It's pretty unfair to newly promoted teams as you can see (Rafaela is dead last). Since they only need 1 not-so-good season to get relegated, while established sides need 3 bad years in-a-row before they face the drop.