OFFICIAL: Philadelphia Union expansion draft 11.25.09

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by ChefJim27, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It will be easier to play a 3-5-2 in Philly because opponents will be afraid to use the wings for fear of getting too close to our fans.
     
  2. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Difference is DC always used speed on the wings when Nowak was coach. I actually don't know if Nowak ever used a 4-4-2 in his 3 years at DC. He also would probably dispute the unsuccesful nature of the 3-5-2 since he went 42-27-25 when he was in charge of DC. A 3-5-2 is only not going to work if you don't have the personel to pull it off. Since he is picking the personel I'm going to assume he will pick players that will play the system. That is why I think any picks that are outside backs are going to be trade bait, unless they are going to play the wide midfielder role.
     
  3. Rudedeck

    Rudedeck Member

    Oct 28, 2009
    Section 107 Row A
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Galaxy fan here

    Just dropping by to say that I'm looking forward to seeing which players your franchise selects tomorrow morning, and can't wait for Philly to start play in 2010.

    Dunivant, Saunders, or Esky are the players I can see being plucked from LA.

    I went to the Union website and the stadium looks like it's going to be a great venue.

    ---Rude(best of luck in 2010)Deck
     
  4. Joedogsweetman

    Aug 18, 2006
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Expansion Draft

    Hey guys, now that the lists are out of who each team is leaving unprotected I wanted to see what everyone thought and who they'd like to pick up in the draft.
     
  5. theearthisflat

    theearthisflat New Member

    May 12, 2009
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Expansion Draft

    see the other posts...
     
  6. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nowak used a 3-5-2 at DC when he had an EPL-caliber CB (Ryan Nelsen) in 2004 but then was able to use a then rookie (Bobby Boswell) after Nelsen departed before the next season.

    For the 2008 Olympics, Nowak used a 4-4-2.
     
  7. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW most pundits (at least the ones in the blogosphere) appear to favor drafting Convey...
     
  8. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Ok, Zman beat me to a detailed rundown so I'm not going to go into huge detail like I was going to. I will make some observations that are in addition to what he has said and add a couple extra options on some of the teams. My analysis is based on what I have seen in past drafts and my understanding of what Nowak wants out of a team. This also assumes that they are picking players to stay on the team, and this probably isn't the case. Usually you see a couple players traded off so I really can't predict those.

    Chicago:
    Banner is the player I think Nowak would go with here. He is probably a good candidate to play that outside mid that is important in a Nowak 3-5-2. He is quick, can play D, and can contribute on the offensive end. Lowry is another option but I think Banner's combination of talent and price makes him the leading candidate.

    Chivas:
    Curtin or Saragosa are possibilities from Chivas in addition to Thomas and Talley. Curtin is local and has always been a steady centerback. He isn't the best but he is more than serviceable. Saragosa could play a couple posistions for the team and may be an outside candidate. Thomas may be passed on just because he takes up an international slot.

    Columbus:
    Renteria is just as viable as Moreno and Garey and might bring more to the table than both. He is mid-20s, has international experience, and is the kind of forward that I think fits well in a Nowak system. He pressures the ball, is tough, and is just a handful. He is a more skillful version of the 2004 version of Esky.

    Colorado:
    Jordan Harvey. List begins and ends there for the most part. I could see Holoday being a sleeper pick here.

    Dallas:
    This is a crapshoot. Wallace might work well as a wide player but he is inconsistent and also plays the same spot as Banner (who is a better option right now). Richetti would be my pick as he is solid as a d-mid and is a very good linking player. Pairing him with a pure destroyer type d-mid would make a very formidale pair in front of the 3 man back. However, him or DVB is just as likely to be picked and traded away. Then you have Purdy who is young and still has upside. As I said, total crapshoot.

    DCU:
    Nothing to add here. Jacobsen maybe and McTavish less likely. I'm probably passing here though as I think there is better talent elsewhere.

    Houston:
    Not much to add here either. Houston hasn't really left a lot that fits into what Nowak would look for. Chabala is the most likely candidate but probably as trade material.

    KC:
    Besler tops my list here. Young, cheap, and has played well and often. Could either be kept as a player or used to trade with another team. Hohlbein would be very similar to Besler in that he could stay or be traded. I'm not sold on Hartmann being picked as keepers just aren't picked in expansion drafts. I believe it is easier to find a good american keeper through other means than you can find outfield players.

    LA:
    Ugh. Do not want. I just don't see anything here for Nowak to choose (see Zman's comment for Esky). Gordon can't score headers when he is being fed by Beckham, enough said.

    NE:
    Heaps has played in a 3-back system in New England so he could definitly be a pick here. He is experienced so I can see him possibly being picked up. I wouldn't look past Thompson here because he reminds me of Josh Gros. What he lacks in skill he makes up for in hustle and heart. That fits the mold of a Nowak wide mid to perfection.

    NY:
    I think if there is a pick from this mess it would be Zimmerman. Young, cheap, and has potential. I think he may be a player that Nowak would think highly of.

    RSL:
    I would say that Grabavoy would be the most likely to be picked out of this group. He is serviceable and could be a decent bench and cover player. Russell doesn't, to me, fit a role for Nowak so I think he gets passed on.

    SJ:
    Again, a mess of a team that really doesn't seem to have much value. Wondolowski might be ok but he has never been able to transform his reserve match form into anything on the first team level. Convey's salary makes him like going on a date with an good looking girl with mono. Sure people will think it is a fantastic idea, and it may be worth it for a little while. However, you are sure going to regret the decision for a lot longer period of time than the good times make up for.

    SEA:
    Riley or King. This depends on other options made with other picks. Riley is a good value pick but there are other options that are just as good and King is the same way.

    TFC:
    Total Frickin' Crap. Anyone picked is for trade purposes.

    So, who do I see them picking?

    Banner
    Curtin
    Renteria
    Richetti
    Besler*
    Heaps
    Zimmerman
    King
    Chabala*
    Harvey*

    * 2 of the 3 will be traded for draft picks or allocation money
     
  9. suspenders1964

    Mar 4, 2000
    you lied.
     
  10. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Depends. I original was going to write a college thesis and do a detailed break down on what I thought the top two or three players on each team brought to the table. Consider yourself lucky.
     
  11. suspenders1964

    Mar 4, 2000
    i'll take it and run.
     
  12. D-Wall

    D-Wall Member

    Nov 18, 2002
    Philly
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas: Mayen, Gerson- D/M or Jazic, Ante D
    Chicago: Banner, Michael- D/M or Carr, Calen F
    C-bus: Garey, Jason- F
    Colorado: Peterson, Jacob- F/M or Ballouchy, Mehdi
    Dallas: Wallace, Anthony- F/M
    DC / ? Possible skip or Emilio, Luciano
    San Jose: Pitchkolan, Aaron- D
    Houston: Chabala, Michael D
    KC: Hartman, Kevin-G
    NE: Igwe, Amaechi D or Phelan, Pat - M
    LA: Kirovski, Jovan M/F or Eskandarian, Alecko - F
    New York: Ubiparipovic, Sinisa- M or Skip the pick
    SLC: Grabavoy, Ned - M (I love this kid)
    Seattle: King, Stephen- M
    Toronto: Guevara, Amado- M
     
  13. suspenders1964

    Mar 4, 2000
    is this shin-dig going to be live?
     
  14. SoB Bolton

    SoB Bolton New Member

    Mar 25, 2007
    Chester, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They fax a list in. That's about it. Not much to show.
     
  15. suspenders1964

    Mar 4, 2000
    i guess we'll have to wait until the league contacts the players.
     
  16. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you meant this picture. Happy, winning Ned.

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  17. drew coho ohio

    Apr 15, 2008
    Columbus OH USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Welcome to the league Philadelphia Union!!!

    ....make the MLS proud!

     
  18. albraider

    albraider New Member

    Oct 3, 2009
    Club:
    FC Sochaux Montbéliard
  19. DragonFly

    DragonFly New Member

    Dec 31, 1999
    Or, make MLS proud.
     
  20. OneTerryHurlock

    Aug 24, 2006
    please take cochrane
     
  21. rocker

    rocker New Member

    Dec 15, 2006
    I'm not sure why previous posters are calling for the drafting of Carl Robinson from TFC. He's 33 and saw a big dropoff in play this past season. He's always had his critics in 2007 and 2008... but had his supporters too. This year it was mostly criticism. He's also expensive (300K) and wouldn't like being negotiated down significantly and moving outside Toronto. So while some criticize Guevara's attitude, I'm not sure you'd get a keener by drafting Robinson either.
     
  22. ZoloFootball

    ZoloFootball New Member

    Jul 14, 2008
    Temple University
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today we will know almost half of our roster!!! This is crazy!!
     
  23. nhlman10

    nhlman10 Member

    Mar 28, 2008
    Meh
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thank you sir
     
  24. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    If past expansion drafts are any indicators, some of today's draftees will never see a day in the Union jersey due to (1) draft and trade scenarios (Brian Carroll - picked by Quakes, traded to Crew; Khano Smith - picked by Sounders, traded to Pink Cows) or (2) inability to sign as player opted to play in other leagues (Clarence Goodson - picked by Quakes, signed with team in Norway; Jeff Parke - picked by Sounders, trialed with teams in Europe before signing with Vancouver in USL). Speaking of Parke, I - like some other folks here - would not be surprised if there is a handshake deal in place where Philly either drafts a Sounder today and trades him back to Seattle for Parke or has a deal in place with Seattle to get Parke in exchange for allocation $ or a draft pick as well as an agreement not to pick a Sounder in today's draft.
     
  25. paladius

    paladius Member

    Sep 27, 2003
    Frisco, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A few notes:

    Ray Burse is a very solid keeper with a very bright future. He can be had super cheap.

    Segares adds experience on a back line. The guy is getting old, but his experience could help keep your team from getting riddled with goals in the first season.

    Grabavoy is a solid utility player.

    Forward? Emilio would be worth the money, and I'd go for Christian Gomez as well. That way, you will have an instant hate-fest with DC United. Now that's the way to get started in MLS with some serious intensity.
     

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