Upcoming David Ferreira negotiations ...

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by tornado fan, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. tornado fan

    tornado fan Member

    Apr 14, 2006
    A little nugget from Steve Davis' column on mlsnet.com:

    "In Dallas, manager Schellas Hyndman and some yet-to-be-chosen technical director will have to make a quick choice on David Ferreira, who performed so well over the back half of the season. His loan deal includes a purchase option and a potentially high salary, and that will have to be sorted out."

    http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20091106&content_id=7632706&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp

    Oh-oh. Does anyone know anything about this? How high a salary? DP money? And if so, will HSG be willing to make him a DP? And is he even worth DP money?
     
  2. Dr. Foosball™

    Dr. Foosball™ New Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Hot Springs, AR
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He isnt worth the DP slot. I would rather see them stick Avila in the lineup than pay big bucks for #10.

    I do think #10 is a good player though.
     
  3. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    wasn't he already on a "high" salary? I feel like he was the highest paid player on the team. How high is too high for him? I mean I would say that he could be worth just under DP money, but I wouldnt make him a DP. I think he is poised to dominate next year, as I think he clearly figured the league out, and his body is impressively strong on the ball. The key was getting in sync, and learning whining for calls was futile, both of which he seemed to grasp as the team went on the run. It would be tough to not have him come back next year, that would leave a big gap again in the middle.
     
  4. Cyclones Rock

    Cyclones Rock New Member

    Jan 26, 2007
  5. chazsoccer

    chazsoccer Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Republic of Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ttujosh - I agree that he needed time to learn MLS and adjust, but I simply do not remember Ferreira ever engaging in behavior that I would classify as 'whining'. Was he frustrated by the mystery of MLS reffing? Sure (who isn't). Did he ask for a card when he thought it was a card? Yes, but I only remember a handful. Just saying... I think he, like Oscar Pareja and Juan Toja and Leonel Alvarez all embody that more workmanlike attitude toward their play that seems characteristic of Colombian playing style.
     
  6. chazsoccer

    chazsoccer Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Republic of Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the challenge will be in the cost of buying him from CAParenense moreso than in containing his salary within the salary cap numbers.
     
  7. Dr. Foosball™

    Dr. Foosball™ New Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Hot Springs, AR
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if losing our main man in the CAP alliance will cause a hitch in the negotiations.
     
  8. FloridaFC2MLS

    FloridaFC2MLS Member

    Oct 17, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no no no....he is definately max salary, FCD needs to keep that DP slot open

    i think if he made 300k this year then he would spring for anything from 300k - 399k
     
  9. FloridaFC2MLS

    FloridaFC2MLS Member

    Oct 17, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    usually when there is a clause in the contract that says opiton to buy at end of loan then their transfer fee is significantly cut.....thats why it wasnt too difficult for Seattle to completely buyout Montero from Deportivo Cali

    it shouldnt be that difficult of a process, i would say they are more likely than not to sign the colombian
     
  10. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    First off, I think the "whining" was referring to David's assumption that getting fouled in MLS meant that the official would actually call the foul. Newsflash: they usually don't. Now he fights through them rather than go down...that's the adjustment.

    Second, I think we should pay him what we need to in order to keep him. If it means making him a DP, then so be it. I would rather use the DP on a known quantity, especially if there is no clear-cut DP available. I know, I know - the DP should be a ticket-selling, headliner player but I think winning will sell tickets, especially in Dallas.
     
  11. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Ferreira was statistically one of the most fouled players in MLS this season.
     
  12. FloridaFC2MLS

    FloridaFC2MLS Member

    Oct 17, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i think FCD should sign Michael Orozco since Richetti and Benitez may be gone on the back side of things
     
  13. boneall

    boneall Member

    Sep 8, 2008
    Allen
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree completely. If we can get away with signing him for under the DP level and keeping the spot open than great, but if it takes making him the DP you have to do it. The spot went unused all season, there's not alot of options out there to fill it, and, IMHO, he's proven himself the best player on the team. Why run the risk of another DP flop when you have a proven entity?
     
  14. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Hope that the low price of the dollar does not negatively impact our ability to sign him, (and lose players to intl markets.)
     
  15. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Finding a good #10 in MLS is so tough. Pay this man his money....Just below DP.
     
  16. markspence02

    markspence02 New Member

    Aug 10, 2001
    Fort Worth
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two years ago I started to travel frequently to Argentina for church. (3-4 times a year in '07, '08 and '09)

    Since the economic "tsunami" the value of the dollar compared to the Argentine peso has increased. In 2007 the dollar was worth 3 pesos...now it is worth about 3.8.

    Because South American economies are so dependent on the US economy, the dollar has actually increased in value over the past year.
     
  17. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    No offense, but I dont think that has anything to do with his situation. Given that most likely when he came here on loan, knowing about how MLS can pay pretty decent for players, I wonder how expensive he is in USD, as that is def. the currency they are working wtih. I'd imagine 600ishk (maybe more given his resume). He's not a unknown player, and has played in the past with the colombian NT.
     
  18. chazsoccer

    chazsoccer Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Republic of Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    600k is unlikely - current max salary is ~450 per MLS, anything over that is DP

    Of course there are all sorts of rule changes possible with the new CBA on the table for discussion, not to mention loopholes for NY/LA (did I say that out loud?)
     
  19. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I was talking about the worth of his player pass, cause i am sure there is a buyout clause in there.
     
  20. chazsoccer

    chazsoccer Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Republic of Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahhh, my bad. Yes that sounds around the right range for the pass.
     
  21. brunomarmos7

    brunomarmos7 Member

    Jan 12, 2009
    Sorocaba
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think you're wrong.... at least in Brazil. Here in the past 1 dollar was 3 Reais

    Now it's 1 dollar = 1.7 Reais....
     
  22. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Ouch.

    I guess it just depends on the country you are comparing, but my smart friends are concerned. They were explaining to dummies like me that the dollar is cratering rather suddenly. This is usually bad for gas prices, import wines, and foreign player acquisitions.

    Maybe we can pay Ferreira in American real estate or banking and auto stocks?
     
  23. chazsoccer

    chazsoccer Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Republic of Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bruno - what do you think of "Chico" joven CAP
     
  24. nutella

    nutella Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Plateau
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Way too good for us. He's had offers from La Liga.
     
  25. brunomarmos7

    brunomarmos7 Member

    Jan 12, 2009
    Sorocaba
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think FCD should look for another player. Chico is young, and has been a starter for CAP this year, and is a decent player.

    He is an average defensive midfielder here in Brazil.

    You know, it's strange. Players like Chico you can easily find in the Brazilian Second Division Championship (not young as Chico, who can be developed), but with the same quality, almost same skills, and very very cheap.

    IMO Europe soccer is in a higher level than the rest of teh World only because they have south american players. If you look at Europe Champions League, you'll realize it. There are more brazilians in the teams than italians, spanish or french players.

    I think FCD can easily find what they need here in Brazil without the need to pay anything for the players (players in Second Division would easily go to play in the US for the same salary they make here in Brazil). You just need to come to Brazil and observe players in Second division instead of going to England, Germany, etc (like Ellinger is going to do)...

    You know, today news is thet Maicon (I BET YOU DON'T KNOW WHO MAICON IS) has been calling attention from Palermo (ITA), which is going to offer 5 million euros for him....
     

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