Who to go, who stay and who to protect....

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by metz, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. tp1073

    tp1073 New Member

    Nov 1, 2006
    NJ
    Let's not forget that Angel will be playing on grass next year (home and most away games). Getting off of that concrete they were playing on could give him another couple productive years. So, let's not even think of letting him go anywhere.
     
  2. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's my thought process. Plus, I have a feeling RB is going to do some big things this off-season, and the team is going to be dramatically better. Angel can succeed without much around him, but he flourishes when surrounded by talent. Next year's going to be a big year for him.
     
  3. Fevernova99

    Fevernova99 Member

    May 3, 2003
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I like Vipers list except for Sinisa Ubiparipovic and Danleigh Borman, those two are very average players, I think they can easily be replaced if taken.

    I would replace them with Danny Cepero and Ernst Obster. Cepero is an avg keeper but he has plenty to learn and is a capable backup, plus he probably makes very little. Obster is a decent player, I want to see how he does with a decent team around him.
     
  4. Blue Note

    Blue Note New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Pawling, New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aren't some of these players' contracts up at the end of the season? If that were the case, we would not need to include them on our protected list, right? With Garcia, for example, my understanding is that we are just having a look at him with no obligation beyond this season. May be a similar situation with Krupnik, though I am not certain.
     
  5. j1mbr0wn

    j1mbr0wn Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Newark, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What, are we trying to see how his fat ass fills the bench? That's the only look we've gotten so far... ;)
     
  6. Fevernova99

    Fevernova99 Member

    May 3, 2003
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Garcia should fire his agent for Krupnik's... they are both sitting around except one is getting about 4x more than the other ;)

    Club Last Name First Name Pos Base Salary Compensation
    NY Garcia Walter Ariel D $ 36,000.00 $ 36,000.00
    NY Krupnik Leonid D $ 144,000.00 $ 144,000.00
     
  7. idriveavw

    idriveavw BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 15, 2008
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    my thoughts exactly
     
  8. j1mbr0wn

    j1mbr0wn Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Newark, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm having a hard time coming up with even 11 players. The only player we can't afford to loose is Angel. All the others are replaceable at least. It goes without saying that half the team should be given the boot.

    I mean, there are certainly players that do ok, but loosing them might be an opportunity for an upgrade. Celades is a decent player, one I'm inclined to protect, and may be valuable on a decent team. But if we lost him we might upgrade.

    Of course, we may not and end up with more crap.
     
  9. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I don't think philly needs to take a player from each team, so I'm guessing they wont touch a player from this mess...
     
  10. EL MONO MARIO

    EL MONO MARIO Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Montevideo, Uruguay
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember Garcia came here on a ten game LOAN or TRIAL so 36 000 for doing nothing ani´t half bad when he goes back to Argentina at years end…
     
  11. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    That's the point of this thread:

    First: Make a list of the players that no matter what, they have to go, period....

    Scnd: Taking in consideration that we can't dismiss all the roster at once, fill the eleven players to protect (Very difficult task)...This list is just because...

    Third: Make a list of who you really want to stay...Much difficult task than the protected list, but maked any way....
     
  12. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    core players:
    Angel F
    Stammler DM
    Hall ? (RB, LB, LW?)

    that might be it.
     
  13. Blue Note

    Blue Note New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Pawling, New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stammler? I know everyone likes him because he works hard but seriously... he has been awful for most of this season.
     
  14. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    he's been better since Richie gave him the straight destroyer role, in the right position he's pretty good.
     
  15. viper

    viper New Member

    Jun 7, 2000
    Paramus, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The thing about Stammler that these coaches like is that he's versatile. He can play multiple positions. Now, the question is: when you play multiple positions but are sub-par playing all of them, are you of any value? I guess so, as he's managed to stick with this team. Truth is, we have multiple players like Stammler. They may not be as versatile, but they are certainly sub-par in whatever position they play. Can we hope to upgrade them all with better players next year? Do we dare even try? The results might be even worse than this year (if we have a totally different team on the field next year). Off the top of my head: Stammler, Golthwaite, Boyens, Sinisa, Krupnik. I might even have to throw Richards and Kandji on that list. It might be just a bit too early to tell with Mbuta, Hall, Zimmerman and Borman, but they better produce next year. Man :eek: That's just about the whole friggin team!
     
  16. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I think in this regard Stammler has been mis-managed. He hasn't had a real CM partner, one to take care of the offensive/creative side of things and has been asked to do way too much. He's not a wing player or a CB or a two-way CM.
     
  17. MulletGSS

    MulletGSS New Member

    May 8, 2009
    NJ
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Protect:
    Kevin Goldthwaite
    Juan Pablo Angel
    Macoumba Kandji
    Dane Richards
    Mike Petke
    Nick Zimmerman
    Bouna Coundoul
    Danny Cepero
    Carlos Johnson
    Albert Celades
    Ernst Obster

    Expose:
    Sinisa Ubiparipovic
    Carlos Mendes
    Seth Stammler
    Jorge Rojas
    John Wolyniec
    Leo Krupnik
    Walter Garcia
    Matthew Mbuta
    Danleigh Borman
    Andrew Boyens
    Luke Sassano

    Exempt:
    Jeremy Hall (correct?)
    Giorgi Chirgadze
     
  18. Blue Note

    Blue Note New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Pawling, New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That looks about right to me. I do think we may want to keep Borman. For what he's being paid, he's a bargain, and one of our better crossers of the ball (though that is not saying much). So replace Cepero with Borman and there you have it.
     
  19. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    I don't think Johnson deserve to be protected, well I don't think the Red Bulls are thinking in bring him back in 2010, I will better use Hall instead and Petke no body will look for his services out side of Red Bulls, so, instead of this two, protect Borman and Luke Sassano better....
     
  20. ag nigrin

    ag nigrin Member

    Mar 4, 2002
    NJ, USA
    Viper! WTF are you using the Philly Union logo as your avatar???? Traitor?
     
  21. MulletGSS

    MulletGSS New Member

    May 8, 2009
    NJ
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    yes but we need two goalies and i think cepero is an excellent backup goalie
     
  22. idriveavw

    idriveavw BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 15, 2008
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    this is a joke, right?
     
  23. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stop treading on the man, willya?
     
  24. viper

    viper New Member

    Jun 7, 2000
    Paramus, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What??? Whoa baby... You Gotta Be Kidding Me...

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  25. Homebrew4U

    Homebrew4U New Member

    Jul 25, 2009
    Eastchester, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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