Frankie will find a job before Alonso is signed - Madrid Transfer /Rumors/Lies Thread

want to make a bet?

 

I'm already in a bet (with a t) with laudrup, I'm a one bet kind of guy. I don't fool around on the side.

 

Ok this is my point. Most teams have 11 starters and around 8 people who are usually in reserve, 6 of which make the bench. So that is a team of 19. We can register up to 25, but we and every other team in La Liga make up this number by going into the youth team.

My point is that we are only going to really use around 20 players so some should be sold now instead of continiously not even making the first team, drop in value and end up going on the cheap any next season, and for the sake of their career. Last season is a good example, I have not seen a situation where so many quality players don't even make the bench. We had Saviola, Van Der Vaart and so on not getting on the bench. That never happend before.

Your last point is what I am trying to get at, but the benefit of Castilla is that they do not need to be registerd in order to call them up.

 

Barcelona was not taking a big risk. That's why I am trying to stress the fact that it's something that has always been done. We had a lot of injuries last season, but that was freaky and out of the ordinary. 3 players out for the season and then there was this period where we could not even fill the bench.

Last season we simply had a shit bench, in quality but mostly because of position. We had no one who could play wide, strikers there was no need for and defenders who never played. A bit of a repeat of a previous post, but lets say this is the starting line up: Casillas, Ramos, Pepe, Albiol, Arbeloa, Lass, Xabi, Kaka, Ronaldo, Higuain Raul. And this is the bench.

Dudek
Torres
Garay
Marcelo
Diarra
Granero
Robben
Benzema

That is actually a smart bench which is more than capable of filling any gaps that occur. Versatile people in the starting 11 and versatile people in reserve. Now imagine if we had Sneijder, Guti, Ruud, Negredo and so on, when are they going to play? The starting 11 will play most games, you have a good bench for rotation, young as well and most importntly they are all of top quality.

 

Thanks for giving me a sense of purpose Horsey.

Considering how hard its been to offload five players what makes you think we can get rid of another five? We won't be getting too much money for them either considering the transfer window is almost over. We'd be desperate to sell so we would be the ones at a disadvantage as far as negotiations go.

Saviola and VDV are not really good examples of players that didn't make the bench. Saviola was content on not doing anything but picking up the paycheck while VDV was doing a whole lot of moaning yet obviously wasn't doing anything in practice or match days to impress Juande Ramos.

Every player on this team has a use. I'd rather be safe knowing that when Kaka goes down we have Sneijder/Granero/Guti to back him up as opposed to when Kaka goes down we have Mr. Castilla to prove that he can't cut it in the first team.

 

Employee in waiting.... I start at the end of the month, already going through paid training so I won the title bet.

 

If you have only 20 quality players, and make up the rest with castilla, you cannot afford to register the castilla players, because that would make them inelligible for the castilla, and yet they would not get minutes with first team (as we dont need more than 20). Summary, you will stunt (if not ruin) the career of the best from the castilla (example kirkic in Barca). Anyone that doesnt have a chance of ever making the sub bench of the team shouldnt be registered. Without quality players making up the 25, there is no pressure for your core group to put in their best as they are almost guaranteed to make the team.

So do you have some castilla players in mind that you feel are good enough to make the first team?

The point that I believe all would agree with is that we should never buy a player who is not superior to what we have in the castilla. Beyond that, we should register the strongest balanced squad we can have.

 

How does humble pie taste???

 

Well at least it looks like your getting my point. For one, nothing makes me think that we can get rid of another 5, just expressing my personal ideal, plus, it's not far fetched in the slightest to think that we can.

Saviola and VDV, my opinion they are great players who could of done a lot more if they were actually given a decent chance. Bad example you can say, but it does not derive from the princable.

Every player has a use, they are quality players too, but the simply fact is they are not all going to get a decent amount of playing time and will eventually leave.

The last time we won the Champions League, and the glory years before, we had a similar squad to one I am pushing for. The "Zidane and Pavons" I think they use to dub it. It's since we started signing players for no reason, playing unbalanced squads and so on is when the team went to shit. Last season we were terribly unlucky with injuries, but more significantly our starting 11 and bench were embrassingly unbalanced.

 

Except the argument is: if Kaka goes down, we have Sneijder; if Kaka AND Sneijder go down, we have Granero; if Kaka AND Sneijder AND Granero go down, we have Guti, who, needing a triple sinchronicity to get a game, will not have played at all in the season. And of course, by the time 3 players go down, at least one will have recovered, as most injuries (and suspensions, obviously) clear up within 2 weeks.

For more fun, multiply the probability of this triple injury happening by the number of positions in attacking midfield and forward, and you'll come up with an absurdly low likelihood of us needing the sort of roster you are advocating. Fact is, we have an absurdly large roster, with something like 18 established internationals in their 20s plus Higuain. That's not sustainable.

As for the economic argument, getting raped in the last week of the transfer window is actually quite preferable to keeping the player: even if we accept 5 million under our valuation of him, we make that up by dumping his salary. If the player has a 10% chance of making a significant impact if we keep him (and that is quite generous in some cases), he's only really worth 500,000 of those 5 million that we pay him for the luxury of occupying spots 20-25 in the stands. Plus, next summer it'll be the same, because he has a 10% chance of keeping his present value and about 0.0001% chance of actually increasing it, so we will sell at the same price that we wanted to sell this summer after paying him a year of wages.

Spots 21-23 should go to Torres, Drenthe and Garay. The other two should be for a third keeper and a Castilla defensive player (of the many that we have that are quite beyond the age of playing in Castilla), or yes, be left vacant.

 

Sweet little MISH, do you want to go over Milan's transfer list of the last few seasons or so? It would explain so much.

Talking about humble pie, wasn't there somebody who said we would still get as much if not more from Huntelaar when we sold him?

 

With this as a bench, Dudek, Torres, Garay, Marcelo, Diarra, Granero Robben and Benzema (two would miss out every week), unless it is down to a number of injuries, it is unlikley someone from Castilla would be called up into the starting 11. But playing for Castilla, you can be called into the first team and go back into Castilla. Ok, maybe for the season, because of the great expectation, the players I mentiond should some maybe should stay this season just in case.

It was just people were shocked and amazed when I mentiond having a team of 20, despite the fact this is like the first time in many years we have had such a large squad made up of foreign, purchased talent and are team size is usually that of, 20.

 

Yeah this is what I was trying to get at. Well put.

 

You're missing the point. There are at least 5 Castilla players that shouldn't be in Castilla anymore. You kick the oldest up and keep the best ones registered with Castilla. If the best ones are also the oldest ones, then we are doing something wrong.

For example, Adan is 22 years old already. Make him duke it out with Dudek, who only has a year left in his contract. Agus is a whopping 24. Tebar is 22 and has played like a thousand seasons in Castilla. Palanca and Szalai are clearly too experienced and well-paid for Segunda B. Those are perfectly valid players for the last 3 or 4 spots.

 

You people will never be happy.


PS Frankie....the Zidane and Pavon policy was a huge failure so you shouldn't be propping that up as some model we should strive for.

 

I reckon the squad might be about 2 players too big. I don't think that's a big deal. If that's the only problem to bitch about then I will take that any year.

Plus we have 2 players in the squad that have been injured so long that they might not remember how to kick a ball anymore.

 

I'd rather go over their champions league record for the last few seasons or so. It's most certainly comparable to that of Tottenham and Stuttgart

Was that me??? Please quote me BIG know-it-all Oscar, please!

 

For a little more than a year now, I reckon, I have not posted but pop in to stay informed while breaking from work and raising children... but I seriously can't take it anymore. Few things:

• We signed Cristiano Ronaldo and people complain about the price.
• We signed Kaka and people complain that he's past his prime.
• We sign Benzema and the price was wrong.
• We sign Alonso and he's overrated.
• We sign Albiol and he's okay.
• We sign Arbeloa and he sucks.

I would hate to see how some of you people react to situations in your own personal life; seriously, every supporter of this squad should be rejoicing and enjoying Sangria and tapas... we are the center of every team's universe, we've signed some of the most talented and promising players on the planet, but nothing is ever good enough.

Why are you complaining about the prices "we've" paid? It's as if we'd need to sign the second coming of Jesus Christ himself to satisfy some of you people. Unbelievable. (I think it's obvious who this is directed towards, and if you mods don't like it, oh well, not like I've been posting much anyway )

 

You obviously do not know anything. You trying to advocate that we don't use any Castilla players? Besides, my sub bench did not include any Castilla players and if you actually understood the point being made you would realise that I was not pushing for Castilla players for the first team.

 

...and for the love of God I have never seen anybody post anywhere as frequently as Frankie... I don't have the time for it, but I suppose part of me has to respect his commitment to responding to anything and everything...

 

Worst example EVER!

 

I always wondered if people would have viewed the "Zidanes y Pavons" policy a bit different had it been called "Zidanes y Casillas" policy.

 

500 post yet?

 

Not yet but soon, I've got that feeling again.

 

Aaaanyway...