Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Ahh... I was wondering what happened... Not sure what you got against logic. But you realize that that bit from the Holy Grail is filled with logical fallacies. So, it's not flawless, it's flawed. Those Python guys were very bright. Yes, yes, I realize you were joking, but it seemed you were suggesting that there's something wrong with using logic to come to a decision.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Well, in the post of mine that got eaten from the last thread, I asked Diceson how he can suggest that our playoff position is comfortable right now. If the season were to end right now, we'd be the last team in. One team (Toronto) is two points behind. One team (New England) is five points behind, but has three games in hand compared to us and is in the middle of a run of good form (such as beating Houston @ Houston last weekend, the first time this year anyone's done that).
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Yeah, Matt noticed the problems with my intro in the broken thread, we cleared it up. Bottom line: those who jump on and off the "burn Soehn at the stake" bandwagon, at best, use Monty Python logic (I exempted Jeremy because I've never seen him say something nice about Tommy ). I'm firmly in the leave Tommy alone camp. When he brings back Peralta or picks up Khano off waivers, then I'll get out the pitchfork and torch. Oh, and we also figured out that I don't know how to use English properly. I asked for neg rep as punishment and only got positive rep. Weird.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Yeah I was interested in his definition of comfortable.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread some of us are really bad at following directions Or is it doing what we're told?
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Barring a total meltdown, and yes, that is possible, I just don't believe it is probable at this point, you figure the team needs 40 to 45 points? 11 games left, 7 at home . . . I got to believe that's 14 points. And I figure 2 draws on the other 4 road games, for a total of 16 more points. A total of 44 points. I see that as possible. As a team that hasn't lost at home, and obviously hasn't won on the road . . . it's just . . . you know . . . "comfortable." This is assuming that they maintain current form, which I'll grant you is a HUGE IF. Actually, you've convinced me that "comfortable" is probably wrong, but I'm not freaking out about the playoffs at this point. The current position certainly isn't a reason for the TS to get the axe. They can concentrate on L.A. Firpo and the rest of CONCACAF, and Real Madrid. IF the team were to strike out this season - no Open Cup, no group play in CONCACAF (if not more), and no playoffs - then I'd KP/Chang need to do some thinking.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Using logic in a post on BigSoccer.com is a well-known oxymoron.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread For all the successes of the TS reign, there have been numerous setbacks: 2007: Crashing out in the Semi-finals of the Concalaugh Champions & Friends Tournament with a right and good shellacking in Mexico. Crashing out of the MLS playoffs in the first round against Chicago. Crashing out of the US Open Cup in the Round of 16 (Harrisonburg City Islanders?) Superduperliga Semi-final loss. 2008: Missed playoffs. 1 draw and 5 losses in Concalaugh Champions & Friends League Group Play. 3 losses in group play of Superduperpooperscooperliga. Copa Sudamericana loss in Round of 16 (our first round). So, yes, I'm not for dumping Soehn this week (unless he loses the Match of the Century™ against Real Madrid) but I doubt he'll have his contract renewed. But I could easily understand that one would look at this team over his tenure and find the performance less than adequate.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Objectly, other than HOU (MLS Cup) and NE (Open Cup), all other teams other than DC United (Supporters' Shield) failed in 2007. Should all of those coaches been fired? Similarly, last year you say CLM (SS, MLS Cup) and NE (StupidLiga) are the only teams last year that actually managed to do anything. Like I said, at the end of the season it is a "maybe some concern" if TS doesn't get anything done.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread I'm more skeptical about this than Bootsy. DC is not in the same zip code as "comfortable" when you talk about the playoffs. Currently the team is hanging on for dear life at the bottom of the playoff standings, with extra non-league games to play that will use up team energy that some of the other teams we're struggling against won't have to play (such as LA, Colorado, NE, Chivas, RSL). If this team loses on the road against Houston this weekend, which even you'd have to admit is the most likely scenario, DC could find itself in 11th place by the time they play another league game. Comfortable? Puff puff pass, Diceson.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Like hyberbole much? You presented a case that Soehn is successful based on the things the team has won during his tenure, is it not fair to evaluate the competitions that the team failed?
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Right now there are only two coaches in the league that are still in a playoff spot and still eligible to win the Open Cup. There is only one team in the league that is in a playoff spot, eligible to win the Open Cup, and eligible in the CCC. Who is this magical coach that is able to get his team to perform in all competitions at a level that other MLS coaches can't measure up to? Tom Soehn. Look. I don't see Tom Soehn as magical either, but at what point do you look at yourself and ask what is wrong with your own thinking? Some of you will not be happy until we run in big name coach after big name coach and then talk about firing them after every unexpected result, making us just like the Red Bulls. I have no problem with criticism and there is some legitimate criticism in this thread, but how exactly does it help DC United to call for a coach's head every time there is an inevitible dip in form? Tom Soehn wins a trophy every season and, until he stops doing so, is going to continue to be the coach of DC United. Get over it.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread I think the word you're looking for is naughty. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtcSYPjJbgg"]YouTube - Castle Anthrax[/ame]
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Couldn't have said it better myself. But remember, we might have Osorio available at the end of the season. How could we resist not getting him.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Is the "after Sohen leaves" thread busted too? It ends with the same post as the #2 version of this thread. Both keep updating as "having new posts" but nothing is there. It is causing confusion, mayhem, and suffering!
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread I will simply chirp in with the same things I have said before. Tommy is tactically challenged. His substitution patterns are questionable at best. Is he the worst coach in the history of the game, no. However he does not seem to learn from his mistakes and if a better option can be found I feel the club must consider that option.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread I agree with this guy. We might have to wait the season out. TS just needs to get these guys to focus better so we can hold leads and kill other teams. Also need to figure out what our problem is with road games. League needs to figure that out too(ask chicago). The way this league is going this year, there have been lots and lots of draws. No one is beating anyone for some reason. I know why D.C. U is having the problem but I really don't know why this is the case league-wide. We could win everything this year including the Supporters Shield (only 4 points away from lead as of 7/30) and CCL, We could also come away with nothing... It's all going to depend on how the second team does the rest of the season. If they can hold the team, you will immediately shut down the thread. Too many games ahead (1/2 season done), too many possible games (CCL advancement, playoffs), and managing the players rest and injuries will be the factors. hold the torches, its way too early to tell. It's not like these other coaches around the league are doing much better or worse then TS is anyway.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread There's a great link for "playoff chances" here: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/MLS.html Basically, they randomize all the rest of the games millions of times and figure out how many of them result on any given team making the playoffs. Right now, DC is sitting at a 66.9 percent chance, just over 2 in 3. That's 20 percentage points better than the Revs, but then, since they made up 18 on us last week, that's not terribly comfortable.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread One other note, I thought the CCL game was terrible timing to bump this thread too. If we win every game in the play-in and group phase, but miss the playoffs, does Soehn get fired? Yes. If we crash out in the CCL but make, say, the conference Final, does he get fired? In all likelihood, no. And that's basically the bottom line. Soehn knows where his paycheck is coming from. (And furthermore, who would we be to complain about it, when an 'announced' 8,000 were at the CCL game, a couple thousand of which were rooting for the other team?)
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Is another fire Soehn bandwagon thread? Do I need to buy a ticket, or can I just hop on since I've been on this one for a while?
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Yeah, I know, I started a thread reminding people about that site two weeks ago and referred to it earlier in the broken version of this thread.
Re: Fire Soehn NOW Vol 3. - We broke the previous thread Really? I'm not a big Soehn fan, but I simply want the best for my team. We were lucky to have Arena. Soehn is challenged with motivating and I'll even say spring prepping. But the dude reacts well. I think he subs just fine. The dudes got a good brain over his shoulder. I still see him better off as an assistant then a HEAD coach since he really doesn't show much character with the team. Anyways, I'm happy with Soehn. On average, the dude counters very well to team issues.