Letters to the Dispatch Editor: Some schmo doesn't like us.

Does anyone else remember singing "Oh it's not gonorrhea it's the burn" to that tune when we would play Dallas?

Good times, good times...

 

this seems like a perfect plan to me

 

You'll have a blast - When I moved back from Michigan last March I got my season tickets in the last row of 101. My 4yo had a blast. He LOVED it. He didn't miss a match all year and he hasn't missed a match this year. I'm a reasonable, responsible parent who is confident enough to explain to my 4yo that what is said at the park, stays at the park. It's not for everyday conversation.

 

far to few of you types in my view...

 

If you guys actually pull off You Suck Ray Stein, you should be inducted into the sports fans hall of fame.

 

What do you guys think about the latest comments in Stein's mailbox?

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...ox19.ART_ART_07-19-09_C3_S3EGQ6S.html?sid=101

It looks like he is going back on his previous comments blasting the Crew fan base. I think it got into his head that the letter to the editor was really just prudish crank and that the YSA chant really is nothing compared to what goes on at the shoe and elsewhere.

Also, as an aside, after reading his response to the second Crew supporter, my initial impression was "how does this guy become an EDITOR in any newspaper?" His comment made no sense and grammatically was terrible.

I plan not to pay attention to this column in the future. There really is nothing important to read here and Stein is mediocrity personified.

 

Thats a classic. It was always one of my favorites. Why did you change your name Dallas? Thanks for ruining best cheer of the year.

 

Ray Stein is catering to the people of America with a below 20 soccer IQ. Those are the people who only know names like Donovan, Beckham(Spice Boy). They think you go to soccer games while everyone sits on their hands like a funeral. No matter what sport it is there will be die-hard fans (Nordecke) who will support their team no matter what happens on the field. Obviously these people have never watched an EPL match in their life, whether it be on tv or live. You think fans of Manchester United and Chelsea aren't going to swear at each other or the opposing team? I think not. People need to realize YSA isn't the best cheer but at the same time it could be more vulgar than that one. MLS was created to bring soccer to those who love the game in America and keep our players from going to Europe because there was no league here. We have a league so be happy and stop the petty whining about little things and enjoy the games.

 

I'm setting myself up for abuse here, but there seems to be no voice of dissent in this thread. I'm a season ticket holder from year 1. At this stage of my life, I go to the games on a rotating basis with one of my kids, ages 3, 5, and 7. I have no qualms about them hearing bad language at the game. I don't know if they actually pick up on what's being said at this age.

But I think YSA is stupid and embarrassing. Why not less of that, and more of "We Are Massive"?

BTW, I see a lot of people in this thread defending YSA because "Suck" is so commonly used. Well, it's not the "S" that's the problem. It's the "A".

I'm not saying there's no room for a little of this. But it's too much. If it drives away families or corporate fans, that's driving away revenue from the team and the league. It seems like an easy thing to let go of, if you felt it might help advance the sport.

 

I think people are defnding "sucks" when it comes to the player intros. I think you'll find most people on here agree that YSA is uncreative and pretty dumb. It's done not only by just about every MLS team, but also just about every high school football student section. The problem is that the chant is so ingrained into the arsenal of chants that it is nearly impossible to get rid of. You have to get the word out to more than just the people on bigsoccer, because they make up an extremely tiny portion of the Nordecke.

 

The YSA chant is not orignial and is really repetitive. I think the arugemnt being made is that you cannot say Crew fans are classless when this is happening in almost all the MLS stadiums and at National team games, plus it is not the worst thing happening in MLS stadiums.

I hate the "massive" cheer more than the YSA one though because it is such a false statement. I mean, I guess massive is a relative term (we were more massive last year than any previous year), but it has given other teams more reasons to point at the Crew fans and laugh. If we had the support Toronto, Seattle, or D.C. have, then I think the massive cheer would be more fitting. I realize it became our montra last year with the run to the cup, but, as you might have noticed, this is not last year and the section is not as "massive" as it was a year ago.

 

You obviously do not get what MASSIVE means to a lot of the Crew fans at this juncture. I know it was started by Zak way back when, but most people believe that MASSIVE=Crew so your stupid argument that it has something to do with attendance or making the run to the cup is wrong. Regardless of what we do or say other fans will find a reason to point and laugh, but the thing is, they aren't Massive, we are! If you still don't get it search one of the many Massive threads that explain it all.

 

Here ya go.

Thread discussing Arace's Article in the Dispatch on the meaning of Massive

 

i think the point about comparing YSA to more offensive chants in Europe and elsewhere in the world is a good one. There are many chants in Europe that are very racist and offensive. However, YSA is still stupid and uncreative. But in terms of its offensiveness compared to some chants throughout the world its really nothing.

 

The argument that "worse stuff happens in other places" doesn't really buy you much. You might see individuals or small groups at NFL or NCAA events wearing crude slogans on their t-shirts, or saying foul things. But those are small groups, and most people will chalk that up to the individual. The fact is that outside of MLS, there aren't really any spontaneous fan cheers in pro sports. Everything is just piped in from some PA guy playing "Jock Jams". And in recent years, college sports have started to go the same way.

I have to say that I've been to MLS games in Chicago and Dallas, and a USMNT game in DC, and I didn't hear anything like YSA that I recall. (Only the the Dallas example is recent though. I went to the first Crew appearance at Pizza Hut Park, only a few years ago. Chicago was in pre-renovation Soldier Field. DC was a qualifier against Jamaica for '98 - remember the Jeff Agoos square pass across the mouth of th goal.)

What happens at European events is irrelevant. The game is well established there. It doesn't have the same image problems to over come that it does here.

What supporters groups do in MLS is unique in this country. And 95% of it is great. If the other 5% is doing harm to the game, why not cut it out?

 

Overanalysis FAIL.

The Massive is and always has been a self-deprecating bit of irony.

 

As Sirk will tell you over and over again in a variety of ways.

 

According to my three year old, you assholes suck.

 

I'm getting so sick of this thread.....

 

I agree--Mods--I think this thread is, and should be, TOAST.

 

Now that's a MASSIVE analysis!

 

All you gotta do is tell people who get offended you're really saying, "Yousa Casshole!"

 

Fid, someone can't start a new thread about this crap until you close this one. So get on it.