your comment above excuse the defeat.. so france in your opinion normally would win only 1-2 games out of 10 games... a useless subjective meaning where has nothing in commen with the realty in days france has played with zidane in the team...... the mediciners havent found out anything...maybe ronaldo psychological was affected but pointing out the whole team was affected is in my opinion utter crap...giovanne elber 2006 has pointed out on german tv this was used to excuse the defeat..and ronaldos problem prior the final very often is used to excuse the defeat ...your team had a chance A: not playing with ronaldo..B: substitut him..C. turning the game with 20 minutes advantage 11 brasilian players against 10 french players...and finally it was a onesided 0:3 defeat and not a 0:0 draw with a penalty shootout defeat...ronaldo has played 4 times against france with brasilian NT teams...0:0,1:1,0:3 and finally 0:1 ......brasil with ronaldo , no victory against french NT teams and no goals scored from him.... brasil only 1 goal scored in 4 matches with ronaldo.... open your eyes kingkong..
the brasilian NT in wc 1994 has conceeded only 3 goals in 7 games...this is no sign of a anonymous team...romario offensivly has played a big role for the sucess of brasil no question with helf of bebeto too...romario was in parts anonymous in the final (the most important game of a wc tournament), wasting a sitter in extratime.. ..or how you explain the goalscores 0:0 after 120 minutes????italy has conceeded 5 goals in this tournament prior the final ..this is no sign of a defensive unbeatable team... romario was voted world player of the year..on the other hand romarios impact season 1993/94 in eurochampionscup for barca was lesser impressive....here again romario was anonymous in a big final (0:4 defeat against ac milan).i own a copy of this game......2 goals scored out of 10 games he has played isnt impressive for a striker of his caliber (barca has scored 23 goals in this 10 eurochampionscup games).. his teamate koeman with 8 goals was eurochampionscup topscorer and his other teamate stoichkow with 7 goals not far away from koeman... romario won the nationale championship with barca and was topscorer 1993/94 in spain... example: a striker gerd müller 1974 has shown its possible to be a impact player in all competitions in one season....nationale championship winner(topscorer) ,eurochampionscup winner (topscorer)and worldcup winner..scoring goals in big finals (2 against netherland, 1 offiziell counted) and 2 goals in eurochampionscup replay final. against athletico madrid...
LOL, isn't that exactly what you're doing with Cristiano and Ronaldinho? All you see are the 40 something goals he scored in that season to say he had a better one than Dinho. But I don't blame you, with you English/American bandwagoners, its all about goals, goals, and more goals. That's why the EPL is the best in the world, right?
Which is exactly why he was so great. Its about showing up when it matters, not when playing agaisn't Middlesborough or Blackburn.
Don't distort what was said nor come with your stupid stats: be INTELLECTUALLY HONEST at least once in your life. You MAKE sound as an ’excuse’ what’s a negation of it. What I stated was that UNLIKE the Italians who use an ancient Baggio's injury as an excuse every time they deal with the 1994 débacle we DON'T use as an excuse Ronaldo's problem - which in fact was way more impactant for having happened just a few moments before the game. And if Italians - who had brought Baggio's problem from the past, having all the time of the world to solve & get used to it - use it all the time as an excuse, WHY, with much more reason, COULD'NT we use it as an ‘excuse’ too???... Even though we NEVER do it?... Ronaldo's problem happened, I repeat, in the last moments before a WC final making us UNEXPECTEDLY go into the main game of that Cup - at the adversary's home - with our major star & consequently the rest of the team in state of shock. Could we substitute the whole team too???... And it’s you, 621380, who knows exactly what happened before the game when till our days not even the most informed journalists ever had access to those critical hours?... However - REPEATING - we NEVER used that as an excuse to 'explain' the defeat as the Italians all the time ridiculously do with Baggio’s injury. We ALWAYS were (in spite of anything) the 1st to congratulate France - as we do with all adversaries that beat us. If Elber said that it was evidently out of frustration because he was not called by Zagallo & his destiny has always been ’shine’ in minor European leagues. Uruguay in 1950 was witness to when 200 000 people (the biggest demonstration of fair play ever) wholeheartedly applauded them at the end of that national catastrophe. We don't need excuses, bud - we are Brazil: ever heard of that word? And please don't you and TKORL give me that bullshit EXCUSE of Baggio's injury anymore.
dont fell over your heels.. i have seen live on tv the wc game brasil-france 0:1 in year 2006...elber was guest on german tv and he has explained his opinion...the german tv olso has shown a interview with ronaldo few minutes earler ... he was asked about 1998 and his problem..he has responded that he was sick few hours prior the final but olso has responded that he was ok later going in this wc final..so this came straight out of ronaldos mouth....so what do you can offer me????babbling..... http://www.ronaldohome.com/2009/05/ronaldo-talks-about-what-happened-in-world-cup-98/ --------------------------- Not many people actually knew what happened to Ronaldo hours before the 98 World Cup finals in France. Well Ronaldo relived the moment today as he talked about what happened on the day. “After lunch I had a seizure 30 to 40 seconds. When I woke up, there was about ten people in the room and they asked me how I was. I told them I was okay and I just wanted to sleep, I didn’t remember anything. On the way to lunch, I spoke with Leonardo and he told me that the Cup final was not the most important thing in the world. I told them he was crazy. Before lunch, I reported what had happened and I was out of the game. I then immediately went to the hospital to have an examination, which was all OK. From there I went straight to the Stadium with an hour before the start of the game. I arrived with the exams in my hand and said to Zagallo ‘I want to play’ and he said ‘you will play.’ “In any other country, I would be considered a hero, because I had the courage to play even after having suffered a seizure. Until I played reasonably well, because all the opportunities I created. But I was labeled as a villain. I heard this from the players themselves blaming me for the defeat. This was rubbish as if there was any risk, I would be the first to jump out.” “Every year I have a check-up and have never had anything like it. It was said the excess use of Voltaren was the problem but it was never proven. I take this medicine because of tendinitis in my knee. I remember that I shaved my head before going to sleep and when I woke it was all confusing. I now never shave my head before sleeping (laughs).” ----------------- so whats now genius???
Proves absolutely nothing. Of course he wouldn't concede he did something harmful to his health before the game or that he suffered a freaky neurological problem. Besides, if he was in good conditions - there was no reason whatsoever for him to invent such a traumatizing situation. He was the best player of the globe & commanded the favourites to the title. His reaction just shows a proud player who in spite of a 'mere' seizure of 30 to 40 minutes, with his tongue rolling back, totally unconscious & muttering uncoordinate phrases, according to Cafu's declaration today at Globo Esporte (Globo Channel) - which diagnosis BTW is not something to be conveyed in 2 or 3 hours in any hospital of the world (of course that's what they must have told him) - wanted (after 'recuperating' & saying 'he remembered nothing') to play at any cost - what he did totally spaced out. BTW, do you know what's 'a seizure of 30 to 40 minutes' specially for an athlete of his category before a WC final???... Yeah, as we say here, 'pepper in the other's eyes is eyedrops' LOL ... Not to mention something you never consider the more I stress it - the fact that the whole team was already psychologically shattered by his absence until the last minute before the game started, when he all of a sudden showed up saying that 'everything was OK'. Have you imagined the colossal stress that such situation imposes on a team that in an hour or so has to decide a World Cup final?... And who would say 'no' to the best player of the planet of the last 20 years?... But forget it: we don't use that as an excuse. Congrats to the French. But the Italians (& their poor Baggio) ...
Before they met in 1998, he had only played them once before and that game ended in 1-1. He bats 0.9 in finals and he has never lost a game to France when fit.
OK, 621, I'll open. Let's try more stats: A. Since (poor Ronaldos!) you're so much into casting-out-'nines', let's cast-out yours. B. What do we end up with?... C. 6 + 2 + 1 = 9 = Z-E-R-O! ... 621380, The BS King of Useless Culture!...
Have a seizure of ten seconds & see if you are apt to stroll to the groceries store around the corner... PS: Seconds or minutes - a lapse that doesn't diminish the gravity of the situation. The guy was in a hospital until one hour before the game, with everybody waiting anxiously to know how he was. And the more than essential concentration of a whole team before a WC final - all that can simply go to space & still pass as an unimportant fact?... C'mon Celito, you're not trying to be 'impartial': what you're trying to be is...'espírito de porco'. (Palmeirense stuff, BTW) ...
I didn't say anything about your points. I didn't criticize any of it. Just corrected your mistake which you made twice in your post. As for the reason we lost ... I do believe the team was affected by the incident. Brazilians are very emotional people. But honestly, France was a very strong team defensively and very well organized. Our defense was quite frankly, pretty flaky ... specially in the air. And tactically the team was a mess. With so many stars in the team, all Zagallo was doing was relying on Ronaldo's brilliance. So I wouldn't be surprised if with a healthy Ronaldo, we would have still lost that final.
OK, You should have noticed though it was a normal mistake (and not an intent of exaggerating R9's problem, as you gave the impression to be pointing out) since I couldn't possibly escape from the fact that in the original 621380's post was written 'seconds'. Besides 30/40 seconds anyway is an eternity for a seizure. Team by team, player by player, Brazil was quite superior. I agree that France was more organized than us & had a good defense but all that a team which sweat at home to pass (and to a certain point be dominated) by Paraguay could aspire to in a final against Brazil was 1) for a twist of Destiny (as it happened with the Ronaldo problem), 2) pray for Brazil not to be in an inspired day & 3) rely the most that they could on the huge advantage that playing a final at home gives to any WC host. The 2 first conditions occurred & the first decisively contributed to the second: the 3rd then had no impediments to influence the game with the most total naturality.
you very quickly forget your own statment... you pointed out france normally would win only 1-2 games out of 10 games against brasil and only in situation with ancident happend with ronaldo...... (the highlight of arrogance in my opinion..) i have postet the results of the games brasil against france with ronaldo in the team...the topic still is foccused ronaldos time.... 1:1, 0:3 ,0:1, (0:0 ) ..however i have postet facts and you your useless subjective opinion..sorry ..but if you dont like this stats.... feel free and post me information about brasils greatness in this games against the inferrer french teams..
C'mon, 621=0, Take a simple introductory course on Statistics (on Internet you'll find several) & you'll learn that a number of 4 games is an absolutely insignificant & irrelevant sample for one to take any conclusion at all about any sport, specially football that's one of the most imprevisible games of all (if not the most). Until a few weeks ago Italians were boasting a supposed head-to-head 'tie' in overall stats with us & they who have a much bigger number of confrontations with Brazil than France can hardly say they've amassed a sufficient quantity of games with us in order to establish a comparison. It was sufficient for us to beat them 2 x 0 & 3 x 0 this year for them to quickly shut up. Remember, Ronaldo still plays & a two or three games sequence could quite easily transform your already irrelevant 'numbers' into smoke. PS: You see as your France 3 x 0 Brazil in 98 loses a lot of its impact if seen under the 94 'Baggio/TKORL' perspective?...
Exactly. Any opinions to the contrary are all hindsight and retrospect. No one bet on France that day, one of the only underdogs playing at home. Cafu once said they lost the game before they even took the field, they were so shaken by the incident where Cesar Sampaio had to unroll Ronaldo's toungue mid-fit to keep him from swallowing it. I'm really shocked by how little mention there is to the incident outside of Brazil, but hey, a win by a European team over Brazil in a World Cup Final cannot be demeaned by facts.
Absolutely. They were not guilty of Brazilian disgraces. Did their homework right & deserved to win - with merits. A WC final is always a WC final. Just like Brazil did his in 94 (with Baggio injured or not).
The worst part about your moronic post is that according to you I'm an American/English bandwagoner. Half my posts on this forum have been about how English players and the EPL are overrated. I don't even like CR. With that said, CR is nothing less than fantastic as a footballer. I'm not sure why but semi-literate fans like to denigrate players such as CR in order to appear "knowledgeable" about the game. In any case my ranking: 1) Ronaldo 2) CR 3) Romario 4) Ronaldinho.
"Moronic post"; says the guy that rates Cristiano over Ronaldinho. I really could care less is a spazzo doesn't like the EPL anymore. Although there is a proper explanation for this. With Cristiano going to Madrid, and Gooch of course moving to the now "oh so outstanding" Serie A. "semi-literate fans like to denigrate players such as CR in order to appear "knowledgeable" about the game." This quote right here is really something. Maybe even DPT material. Let it be clear that I do not downgrade Cristiano at all. All I say is that he is not better than Ronaldinho at his prime. And what idiots like you look at are stats, stats which are completely irrelevant because of the playing style of two completely different leagues. You also brought up about 'how you have to look at the teamates the player had. At his prime, Ronaldinho played with only two good players; Eto'o, Xavi, and maybe even Belletti. Messi and Iniesta weren't anywhere near their the level they are now. Hell, they weren't even starters. And please don't even bring up Giuly. Let's see who Cristiano had; Giggs, Rooney, Tevez, and you could even count Berbatov. There is no way you can say Cristiano single handedly carried a team into success. And why it is debatable, you can make the case for Ronaldinho. BTW, when did you get into the game? You state things like knew, but then you go on idiotically downgrading Zidane and stating Cristiano is better than Dinho and Romario!
Honestly, did you ever watch a full Ronaldinho game in his prime? To say CR deserves to be put ahead of him already is pretty nonsensical. Ronaldinho had the technical ability and creativity to rival some of the all time greats in his prime. It is not CR bashing to seem knowledgeable, it is pretty common sense for anyone that truly watched the matches and isnt overplaying CR's abilities. I recommend going back and watching some of those Barca matches in 2005 and 2006 and if you cant distinguish a quality difference in the two players then I dont know what to tell you. I agree with most of your post but think ronaldinho had more than just etoo and xavi. Deco and giuly were in good form but i agree with your overall point that C. Ronaldo had a lot of very good players around him and to say he let the team to success by himself is foolish.
Very good point. Addtionally, Ronaldinho doesn't get enough credit for Messi's astonishing development, when in reality he took Messi under his wing early and served as a lightning rod to protect him from unfair expectations. That Brazilian-Argentine friendship is rare- I recall a very funny quote by Messi saying that he was the only Argentine the Barca Brazilians loved. It could have very easily gone bad- history is littered with derailed careers of promising young players, usually becuase the veterans are jealous or terrified the great young player will take their place. Similiarly talented Denilson recieved tons of jealously and the cold shoulder from "teammates" went he went to Betis in 1998 and pleaded, "I can't control how much the team pays for me."
@ CIA Honey, it would have been great had you put an actual argument into that inane rambling of a post. On what basis is Ronaldinho better than CR? But rather than presenting any semblance of a coherent argument you keep convincing yourself that you're knowledgeable about football. EDIT: I wanted to avoid responding to your post, but you think CR was surrounded by more talent than Ronaldinho? Are you serious?
first touch, ball possession, creativity, technical ability, crossing, vision, passing, knowing when to pass/take on players (football IQ), short range free kicks...need I go on? CR is better in headers, long distance free kicks, and long range shooting