The Schellas Hyndman saga: Contract offered, contract rejected

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by birkdog, Nov 17, 2003.

  1. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    Heh, got a tickle out of that.

    Hyndman isn't sitting well with me right now. I'd much prefer the prospect of the Irish clan staying on if Sigi isn't a reality.
     
  2. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    My bad.
     
  3. dburn157

    dburn157 New Member

    Aug 13, 2001
    All this talk about so and so has coached at a higher level or played at a higher level does not mean a thing to me.

    I've watched Schellas for a long time at SMU and he's a winner in my book. My gut feeling is that he would make a great coach and the fact that he is local will only help the fan base.
     
  4. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My sources say that final interviews of candidates brought into Dallas were done by Clark Hunt, Dan Hunt, John Wagner, and Greg Elliott.

    If I recall correctly on the Radio show Elliott said the decision was 90% his.
     
  5. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was Clark Hunt.
     
  6. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    I have a hard time believing that the SMU fanbase can be easily brought into the CB.

    This is one of the main reasons why the Latino fanbase was important at the CB. They know the area and don't have any reservations about going there. On that note, I don't think SMU fans would travel to Frisco and choose the Burn over SMU either. Discretionary or otherwise, they may feel their dollars are better spent on the local product and show loyalty to their school.

    Sorry, but I think it would take more than a year at the CB in order to bring back the Latino fanbase. Given that, I don't see the advantage of bringing in any 'local' influence to the position based on the market. We need a solid performance on the field and a proper marketing effort for Frisco. I think that should be the mindset of Burn management following the 'correct' naming of the new coach.
     
  7. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    To the suburban Dallas Cup crowd of course! ;)
     
  8. TexanSoccer06

    TexanSoccer06 New Member

    If it is Schellas, does that mean Ramon Nunez is gonna be in a Burn kit next season?
     
  9. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    good question
     
  10. BurnFanMan

    BurnFanMan New Member

    Mar 5, 2002
    El Paso
    Sorry but I don't think a kid who has played one year in college is going to help this team make the playoffs next year. Not saying he won't turn out to be a very good player in a few years time, but I would be shocked if he made a serious difference before year two of Frisco, if he even goes to MLS and the Burn. Same goes for Chad Marshall, although he is a little older.
     
  11. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMHO

    picking Nunez is like picking Convey. Year one he will play some. But by year three will be a stud. So take him with pick 3 or 4.

    Picking Marshall is like picking Bocanegra. Instant starter and impact player.

    IF (big IF) either come out and sign with MLS.
     
  12. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    just read on the dallas morning news website, schellas was offered a two year deal but turned it down because he wanted more years. quotes and all from schellas.
     
  13. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    It behooves Nunez to turn pro this winter.

    Aside from pro soccer, his next goal should be to make the US U20 team. He's a playmaking center mid. He's already got competition for that spot from two other playmaking center mids who are already pros: Craig Capano of Chicago and Memo Gonzalez of Los Angeles.

    While both played sparingly this year, expect them to play more next year as they are older. That gives them a nice leg-up on Ramon. They also have the advantage of residency in Bradenton and international experience with the U17 team and, in Capano's case, the U20 team. Both have played in a FIFA World Championship.

    Nunez has been to some camps with the U18 team but because he isn't a US citizen, hasn't played in any friendlies - there are no world championships for the U18 team - against other national teams.

    If he wants to beat them out to start, or even make the team, he needs to get into a pro environment ASAP.

    Also, now that he is an adult, it could help expidite his citizenship process if he is working, though I'm not sure about that one.

    And, of course, right now the Burn and MLS are in a unique position to offer him a chance to stay home. We all hope that Dallas will be much improved next year and they hopefully won't be in a place where they have a high enough pick to take Ramon.

    Coming to the Burn allows Ramon to live at home. It also allows him an easier chance to finish his education. If Schellas is the coach, I'm sure he would allow for Ramon to continue his education and that Ramon could still take a couple of classes per semester, either at SMU or a local college that will be a little cheaper.

    And, of course, he would get to play for a coach who is familiar with him and obviously thinks highly of him.

    Dallas is lucky in that with the three picks, they can use one on someone who may take a bit to develop. THe first one, it sounds like, will be used on a veteran, presumably impact, player via the Adu deal. They can use another pick on an older college player more likely to contribute right away and the third pick on Nunez. After helping out in the Adu deal, I'm sure the league will let the Crew know not to take Ramon at No. 2. And since it's a HSG-owned team, I don't imagine there'll be much dissension on that in Columbus.
     
  14. BurnFanMan

    BurnFanMan New Member

    Mar 5, 2002
    El Paso
  15. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...stories/stories/111903dnspoburn.1a1d87d0.html

    Sounds to me like it's a good thing. The guy once again has shown that he's more interested in security than ambition. He has a cush job at SMU and he might actually have to perform at the pro level to keep drawing a salary.

    And since HSG is already paying Mike Jeffries for 2004, they know all too well that a longer-term deal would tie their hands. Let's say that they give him a four-year deal, and after one or two seasons, it's readily apparent to everyone involved that he isn't a good pro coach. Well, HSG would still be on the hook for another two or three years.

    If and when LA foolishly fires Sigi Schmid, I think that he becomes our #1 candidate.
     
  16. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Moving back to the Cotton Bowl will do more to help the local fan base than hiring any coach would. Winning would help too.

    City wide, few people pay attention to the Burn, even fewer to SMU soccer.

    Maybe hiring Alyssa Milano as coach would bring more people to games, but short of that, it won't make a difference.
     
  17. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bliss is out.... As per KC paper and one of my sources
    .
    Mo fell behind.... and is out? Two sources I have say did not impress in interview.

    Scheulls is low balled by Burn and turns down offer... so he is out. Or is this just negotiatiing?
    The quote sounds like he said no outright. Remember Jeffries had two 2-year deals. That must be MLS staple.

    Which leaves Clarke... who we know from Elliott is in the mix.

    And the Rumor of Sigi... from a coupe of my sources and from MLS confidential. But NOT from any Burn source.
     
  18. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Jonno

    Jonno New Member

    Oct 28, 2002
    Austin, TX
    Sounds good to me.
     
  20. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Me three.

    His response confirmed my gut feeling about him. He is just not hungry enough to be the man we need. For him, more money "in case it didn't work out" was the most important thing, not an opportunity to prove himself at the highest level. I respect his desire to provide for his family, but we need someone more passionate and driven to compete against the best.
     
  21. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Threads merged. Thread title changed.
     
  22. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I don't blame Schellas for holding out for more years. He's got security right now at SMU and presumably has a mortgage. For him to give up a secure means to pay said mortgage for a two-year contract made no real-life sense.

    At the same time, if Schellas is your guy, why not offer more than two years? Why even bother going through the motions and the press leaks and all that? Did they ever think a highly-respected college coach was going to leave his secure gig for a two year deal in volatile MLS? Please.

    Before they even started talking to Schellas they should have know it would take a long-term deal to get him. Now, just as with Jeffries, whomever they hire will publicly be known as the second choice and the first choice will be right up the road looking over his shoulder. How do you spin "second choice?"

    I mean, that's tough to explain to your season ticket holders "We fired Jeffries and while we didn't get the guy we really wanted to replace him, we really feel happy with Coach X..." Doesn't exactly make you want to sign your check for duckets, does it?

    I understand why the Burn didn't want to give more than two years. What if Schellas bombed as an MLS coach? Certainly you don't want to be stuck with a bad coach or stuck paying a coach you fired a year or two earlier.

    But, they knew going in two-years was their limit. And, they had to know Schellas wouldn't leave for a two-year deal.

    This whole thing was a waste of time and could have been avoided.
     
  23. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True story:

    Frank Yallop was the second choice in San Jose. Mike Jeffries was the first choice, but was hired by Dallas.
     
  24. TexanSoccer06

    TexanSoccer06 New Member

    Unless as someone stated earlier this was all just a smoke screen for something else. Maybe the Burn have signed Alex Ferguson! :p
     
  25. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    Maybe the Burn have signed Alex Ferguson!

    Well, he is suing his bosses over a racehorse.....maybe they'll let him go. Hey, that could be our "major allocation" for handing Adu to DC!!
     

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