An unknown d-mid, Anton Pterlin, who was on trial with the Fire earlier this year but passed on, was just signed by Everton. Here he is mentioned on our list of trialists: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16999496&highlight=M-Anton Peterlin#post16999496 Here they talk about how he is going to play for the 5th best team in the EPL now: http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/9773718/Toffees-to-confirm-Peterlin-signing http://mustangdaily.net/tag/anton-peterlin/ So either our evaluation of talent stinks, or Everton's does. Or maybe Logan threatened to shank him if he didn't get out of town.
He's probably raw and a project. We don't have the coaching talent and developmental infrastructure in place to find guys like these and make them into something worthwhile. He would have rotted on our bench and come to nothing being developed by the likes of Denis Hamlett and co. Now he's under the wing of David Moyes, who is several orders of magnitude better than DH.
I highly doubt he will ever play an EPL game most of these guys rarely do. Though just being there around Moyes and his coaching staff should improve his game ten-fold!
The same argument has been made about Jay DeMerit who played for Chicago Fire Premier and went undrafted by MLS.. but was given a trial and ultimately signed by Watford after they saw him play in a single preseason friendly... and i don't buy it. i mean i know that they are limited in how much work than can do to develop their younger players (we could easily use 2 or 3 extra developmental spots this year) but i think part of it is also just poor scouting/coaching. Even if this kid never plays above the reserves for Everton, the fact that they've signed him means you'd still figure him to be able to easily compete with people like banner and lowry for a developmental spot. I mean is he really a bigger project than Calen Carr?
Seriously ,something is wrong with FO.... instead they sign Ward and now they let go Sinclair to try out for SJ ..
Yea, I think you can put Ward clearly in the "Good signing" category. This is a guy who didn't start a single game last year, and he has been on the field for almost every game for us. 250k/year for Mapp on the other hand..... not sure on that one.
the fire were not the only team to pass up on him.... i think SJ or CLB also brought him in within the past year... guess what?? no signings... my guess?? between the limited roster space and the cap size, no teams wanted to take a chance on an UNKNOWN.... Everton has the $$ and the roster spots to take a chance on Anton..... ANYWAYS, this was already brought up some time ago, why are we just now resurfacing this?? he had to wait to the summer window to sign with everton, but this was know for several months now... and talked on both Yanks-abroad and USMens to great lengths
I hate these theards really I mean every single team has missed out on a player or two it happens get over I mean complaing about this guy and james sinclair who if was any good why the hell isnt he still playing in England I mean reall get over it guys!
I don't mind them but the arguments need to be correctly framed in the context of MLS. Jay Demerit left for Europe, but realistically with the way the league was set up back then could the Fire have even kept him? And if they did keep him back before we had a reserve league that's currently on hiatus, what would have happened to him?
Well i'm sure his intentions are to come and get some game time, i mean how much real game time can he get in a good league in england at 21? Most clubs would prefer to buy in players from abroad.
he went undrafted out of college.. and his story seems to indicate that he wasn't exactly "raw" or needed too much time to develop --he played a year in non-league soccer in england before joining watford and playing over 30 games in his first year. if we pass on college players cause we can't afford to give him a year of mediocre-quality games to develop, that's incredibly sad. And yeah, if he was drafted by the Fire, he wouldn't have gotten the same experience of playing in the premiership, and all those games you play in the championship and the all the cup competitions... he'd probably not be the player he is today. But he'd still be a good player. So it seems, just the way he adapted so well in england, that he could've come into MLS pretty easily, without needing too much development time. And the fact that he went to UIC and played for Chicago Fire Premier makes Jay DeMerit's case more significant to me that most of these "how could they miss out on this guy" arguments since it's not like he's some raw project from some unknown backwater where he was never scouted.
Agreed. Its not rockets science folks.. You want to knwo why our attendance stinks.. We went from having guys like Lubos Kubik Podbrozny Nowak Wynalda Stotichkov, Razov and Armas on our team to guys like Tim Ward, Logan Pause, Old man Blanco. This is a big WTF to me!
If you think a slow moving guy like Blanco has the same pull as a Stoitchkov Nowak and Lubik did yoru crazy. Sorry bud all three of those players in their prime were far better than Blanco.. and yes they were also vastly more popular.. AND they were all on the team at the same time.. So without making too much of a case out of it, yes I do.. Sorry McBride was capitain of Fulham great for him, but ranked one of the top 20 footballers of all time in the history fo the sport and best player int he entire Bundesliga he was not.. I love mcbride but lets not be foolish
There are so many errors in reasoning there that I don't know where to begin. How about you just explain these facts to me: The top two years in Fire history for median attendance have been 2007 and 2008. You've been arguing for years that we're all idiots for thinking that Anshutz was not a great owner. You're missing a great opportunity to drive that point home and instead focusing on a very poor argument.
You're blaming Blanco for attendance woes, really? That's just... wow. You didn't attend or watch a game the past two seasons huh?
I am blaming the BORING STYLE OF FLARELESS SOCCER THE FIRE PLAY NOW!! No creativity and everything is in slow motion. Boring defensive, slow, this league in general and the Chicago Fire is running into what people have been saying for a couple of years, the talent pool is just too thin and the bang for the buck people used to get at SF and the quality then and what they charge now and whats on the field these days, just isnt worth it sometimes. You look at the team we had in 2000-2001 and how much you paid to get in and look at what we have on the field now and see how much you are paying for it and you tell me if your getting your monies worth, I say no. In never said Blanco was the reason for our attendance woes, THIS TEAM is the reason for our attendance woes.. When we are celebrating a guy like LOGAN PAUSE, thats all I need to tell me of this leagues soccer quality . has been too stagnant for too long and people are starting to see that, Money talks bullshit walks bud..and right now this team and its FO is selling us Bullshit
The only people I have ever heard celebrate Logan Pause are like 3 guys on BigSoccer, at games I hear, more often then not "God ********ing damn you you ********ing piece of shit! what the ******** where you think you ******** eating ******** twat mother********ing Pause!!!!"
And he started by playing for a Goddamn pub side in England, so that's whom he was able to play for despite having trials with clubs throughout Europe. I guess the European clubs he trialed for also are lousy at scouting talent. Players develop differently and being on trial only shows so much. You can have a trial that's outta this world and be Sh..t on the field or you can have a lousy trial and be the next best thing. No different than any other sport.