The way he runs on the ball remind me a bit of Henry. I know it's a HUGE comparison, but he has has the same style. If he even becomes half the player Henry was in his prime, we've got a gem.
Great video! Such an exciting prospect. The Henry comparisons are very interesting the last clip as he moves away from the Southampton defender down the left wing is particularly reminiscent.
Here's the full version. 10mins long. It's basically the same as part 1, with the 2nd part and I moved the first clip where he dribbled against Hull to the end. Enjoy. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekMldp-dJOo"]YouTube - Danny Welbeck 08/09[/ame] Might do a Fletcher/Berbatov's if I have the time, which I will have next few weeks. Also if someone have Welbeck's extended highlights against Everton in the FA Cup semi's and/or Middleborough in the Carling Cup, do let me know. Thanks.
Someone needs to do a proper Fletcher vid, going back a few years...just so the..oh well no point in getting into that debate again...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BErRFKNWUD0"]YouTube - danny welbeck full reserve and first team ultimate compilation[/ame] credit to that hammond8.. never saw most of those vids. He'll be fantastic for us.
Interested if he'll be used primarily as a winger this season. Striker berths seem to belong to Rooney/Berbs/Owen/Macheda, all 4 who will injure their groin or some muscles at some point in the season. So Diouf from Molde and Welbeck should see a few games at least at forward. On the wings, we'll have Park/Nani/Valencia. I expect Nani to bounce back, I really want him to at least. But there will be enough Cup and lower league games for Welbeck to get a sniff. I think between him and Macheda, Welbeck will "make it" first. He seems to have the headstrong/confident nature about him
I think the U-19 Euro's will play a part in where he is deployed, (not sure if he plays as a striker primarily for England's youth teams) if he impresses, we may see him get a few more chances up top to make a name for himself. I'd certainly love to see a lot more of him and I have to say, I'm ********ing juiced to see him play tomorrow and throughout the tournament. Does anyone know if he will be going to the U-20 WC with England as well? I think it's coming up in the fall.
This class of u19's have been playing a 4-3-3 with Nathan Delfunso [aston Villa], Nyle Ranger [???} and one other name who slips my mind.... but that last spot is most likely for Wellbeck. Is England actually in the u20 WC? I dont know why they'd choose this Euro over the FIFA tourney, especially because the best competition is in the FIFA tournement.
I see Welbeck more and more as a winger. Not a classic winger, but one who cuts in and scores goals. like that other lad we had...not as good, but same game...and i'm sure that is how fergie is utilizing him... he played and scored 2 goals from the wing today in england's 7-1 demolition of slovenia.
Goals help ease Welbeck's growing pains. Brian Eastick revealed after Monday’s 7-1 victory against Slovenia that himself and the England medical team are having to manage the condition of striker Danny Welbeck throughout the competition. The Manchester United hitman netted two goals against Slovenia on Monday to help fire his team to the semi-finals, but he has yet to complete a game for the Young Lions after a number of injury problems over the summer months. The 19-year-old was due to go to the European U21 Championship finals with Stuart Pearce’s squad earlier in the summer, only for injury to force him out of that competition. However, missing those games has allowed him to travel with the U19s, where his performances have caught the eye. “I have a obligation to protect him a little bit,” admitted Eastick after the game, which saw England reach the last four for the first time in this competition since 2005. “Danny has not been 100 per cent fit and Sir Alex Ferguson has been very good in allowing him to come. “He has had a little bit of a growth spurt in the last few months and when that happens, sometimes it takes the rest of the body a bit of time to catch up. “So we are nurturing him at the moment and not playing him flat out. “That is why he has not played 90 minutes for us yet.”
If Welbeck gets any bigger the opposition are going to have a serious, serious problem on their hands.
If he keeps his pace and acceleration that is... the taller you get the harder it gets. We may yet see Danny bulk up considerably as well as he hits his twenties and that's another area that could affect his movement a lot. However if he manages to keep his agility and acceleration and ad size he just might become better than anyone could really hope... But I'm sure that the medical staff knows very well how he'll grow. Just as Sporting knew with Ronaldo and managed his training with regards to this.
Doesn't need to...his dribbling skill is off the charts. If he keeps his trickery and manages to get taller and stronger, that spells major, major problems for opponents.
Yes, and after Ronaldo joined us I'm quite satisfied about how we managed him physically as well. I have read about how they managed him at Sporting so that's why I used that as an example. But given how successful that management of him was I'd be very surprised if we did not do something similar with our up and commers... Also Ronaldo didn't grow that much legnthwise after he joined us so the question of age is more or less moot since it's more about physical development really...
I have to say that I feel his agility and acceleration are major parts of his dribbling ability. He's technically gifted that's no question. But just look at what happened to Giggsy when he could no longer use his physical gifts to their former standard. His ability to beat his man was severely impaired as a result even though he's one of the best conventional dribblers of the ball I've seen.
I remember when Fletcher was growing; Fergie said that muscle training is generally quite light until the player finishes growing, as that allows them to keep their pace and mobility. Both Gerrard and Ronaldo are two of the highest profile players I can think of who (edit!) grew slightly and bulked up massively after a season or more in the Prem and both came out of it with more rather than less pace. Does anyone happen to know how big Welbeck is now? It says his growth spurt was over the past few months, so his end of season height is probably what he is now.
You'll get more pace depending on how you train. Plyometrics, a lot of heavy squating and olympic style lifts will generally increase explosiveness. Just depends on the ratio between strength and mass. Gabby Abonglahor put on a good amount of size over the pass few seasons (in terms of muscle mass) and he maintained or even improved pace.
I think my mind has warped my memory beyond all recognition. I've just checked the Bolton debut, and Ronaldo was definitely quite tall. Ron definitely did add an inch or two in height but he was tall to begin with. I don't want to check Gerrard now as the shame of knowing I was wrong twice in one sentence would probably kill me. The Fletcher bit definitely is right though! Both Gerrard and Ronaldo bulked up massively after they'd finished growing and not before, and both are at least as fast as they've ever been. Captain Naboo is still going to remain a healthy 14" if that's alright with everyone.
Ronaldo may be as fast or faster on the gallop but he's definitely not as quick over the first few steps as he used to be.
I think we are talking about different things here to a certain degree. Adding some muscle mass to a thin frame does not necessarily mean he will lose explosiveness. Giggs' difficulties are understandable because he had to rework his way of playing he had used throughout his professional career. If Welbeck adds some muscle mass he will likely remain just as quick and explosive as he was before. Players like Zlatan and Ronaldo have added quite a bit of bulk but have remained mobile. If a player is quick and explosive before bulking up they will likely remain that way. If he does add a lot of bulk or continue to grow he will need more time to grow into his new body and it might mean he will adjust his playing style to a certain degree to make use of his strength. But there is a big difference in a young player getting used to a new body, i.e. Welbeck, and an older player being forced to adapt his way of play throughout his career because he lost a step, i.e. Giggs.
I'm well aware that it's two very different things with Giggs loosing some of his pace and a young player bulking up. But in the end it comes down to the same thing, lost pace is lost pace no matter what the reason is. The fastest players and more importantly, the most agile players are almost always quite slender in their build, with a few exceptions. The player that Welbeck physically reminds me of right now is Henry. On the other hand you do have players like Saha who combine power, pace and agility amazingly. But in the case of Saha he ripped his body to shreds doing so. Another example is fat Ronaldo whos body couldn't handle that strain as well. The number of players who can manage that combination are, in my opinion very few. Either they loose one of either power, pace or agility or they break down. But once in a while you get a player that can combine the three and stay healthy.
True. But there are two main differences. First off is that young players can adapt their style of play to their changes in their growth that happen. Giggs' changes happened later on in his career when his playing style was set, which made the transition more difficult. Secondly is that you are assuming that more muscle mass equals less pace, which is imo not an accurate assumption. The fastest players are not the most slender. Fast players come in all body types. Look at Torres and Ronaldo for two extremely pacy players who are built solidly. It's like not players like Martins, Suazo, Maicon, Pato and Agbonlahor and Aguero (who are still filling out) are sticks either. If players are quick at 17-18 they will be quick throughout their career if they add muscle mass or not. The game is full of players who are well built and pacy. Soccer does not exist in a vacuum either in regards to speed. Look at other sports for more examples of how fast athletes are not as slender as you seem to think. Perhaps we just aren't in agreement as to what body type Welbeck will take on. I'm sure the coaching staff is hoping he bulks up. It will make him even harder to deal with and probably make him less susceptible to injuries in the long-term if his growth is managed properly, which I am sure it will. Muscle mass in itself does not make players more susceptible to injuries. The imbalance in muscle mass is what can create problems. I think the main pattern is that more explosive/quicker players are more likely to have problems. But this is a bit aside from the point I believe.