Michael Bradley's red - Update suspended 4 matches, availible for Mexico

Re: Michael Bradley's red

Sorry, don't play video games.

Disagree. It's common for players to retain a "tone it down" message. Just like playing with a yellow. Happens all the time.

Lack of discipline is a coaching issue. All the more troubling with Bradley since he's been with this coach for 21 years!

 

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what you're suggesting is akin to making a fighter go into a fight with one arm tied behind his back...if the fighter is one of the best in the world, then maybe he pulls it off...

The US is being held to a different standard than all other teams in this tournament. The refs have been lambasted for their inconsistency, but they've actually been pretty consistent...everyone else has been able to get away with those sorts of tackles (or even worse fouls such as elbows, etc.) without being shown red unless they happen to wear a US jersey.

The only red so far to a player not wearing a US jersey was to Egypt (handball on the line)....this despite the fact that most games in this tournament have had similar or worse fouls than earned red for the US. Hell, in the same game that the US has received red there have been similar or worse fouls committed by the opposition with no red card shown!

 

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No, it's more akin to playing like your carrying a yellow.

Yes that's fact. The question is how, as a coach, do you adjust to that. Coach Bradley obviously didn't make the adjustment and as a result we got 3 reds in 4 games.

 

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You know, you're right. Maybe we should stop hanging around at places like the Confederations Cup.

 

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Absurd.

Even more ridiculous. The fouls were ridiculous and a coach isn't going to make his players play with less determination.

 

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The coach shouldn't have to adjust to that...expecting the US to adjust to that is akin to asking someone to fight with his arm tied behind his back!

Everyone else is allowed to tackle and commit fouls except us? Why even play then?!

 

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Haha! Just like with American women, those foreigners can't get enough of us!

 

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How about complaining about an unjust application of the Laws, rather than meekly agreeing to play under a different set of rules than everyone else that puts us at a tremendous disadvantage?

 

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It's not about determination, it's about intelligent play. Can you not be determined carrying a yellow card?

 

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Comparing Red cards to rape victims was a probably a poor comparison, but c'mon, this was tasteless.

It also doesn't change the fact that while the players do need to be careful, you can't simply stop tackling. Likewise, FIFA really needs to do a better job with referee standards -- both across a given tournament's matches and in-game. It's utterly ridiculous and indefensible to see a red given to one player while another receives nothing while still another receives a yellow.

 

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You know why opposing teams attack a defender that's carrying a yellow? Because what they can do is severely reduced. The entire team should play like that? Ridiculous.

 

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they need an oversight committee for these types of things. If an unjust red occurs during a game, the loss of player should be significant enough for the rest of the game. Removing him from the following game for an erroneous call is deplorable and a major problem in the system. Bradley's "foul" wasn't even a yellow card, he went in hard, and legally in my assessment and got the ball. If you want to call it a foul, that's the ref's discretion. I was shocked when the ref reached for what I thought was going to be a yellow and in complete disbelief when he went for a red. It was a crap call from a crap referee.

 

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To pull out of a 50/50 challenge is the definition of playing with less determination. That is the problem with getting a yellow card, you have to play with less determination.

I don't want US player to be pulling out of 50/50 challenges like this, I don't want Bradley to coach our players to pull out of 50/50 challenges.

This call was wrong and the US should not change the way we play because of poor officiating.

 

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Not when Larrionda is officiating. Hell, you can't even show determination without a yellow card if you are a US player and he's in the middle. He's done this to us before, in the 2006 World Cup.

 

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I can't recall the specifics, but I read a post just a little while ago about Larrionda reffing one of our games in the 2003 Confed Cup and screwing us in that game too (against Turkey?).

He's 3 for 3.

 

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Sorry, I see no difference.

Exactly! Given the well understood circumstances, Bradley wasn't careful.

 

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You need to adjust to how the game is being consistently (against us at least) called.

Not doing so makes it much more likely you'll lose. Of course you can always find solace in complaining about the officiating on BS later.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEYmMNVIuSc&NR=1"]YouTube - Bradely Red Card V Spain 24.06.09 Confederations Cup Semi Final[/ame]
should have learned from the previous two sending offs, in this competition you shouldn't be tackling like that. Especially up 2-0 in the 87th minute.
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Players on a yellow are considerably less effective, particularly defensive minded players.

What you are suggesting is that the entire play as if they are on a yellow, effectively changing the rules of the game. That is a suicidal way to approach the game.

In all likelihood whatever bias that occurs against us is based on a perception that we are an upstart team that is too big for our britches. By winning these sorts of matches that bias will fade.

However if we are cowed by this bias then we are helping to perpetuate it.

 

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Which is immediately followed by the announcer saying that it was a great tackle and not even a foul.

So first of all you're quoting a freaking announcer to support your case? That's idiotic. Second of all the clip you post contradicts itself. Doubly idiotic.

 

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Which is pretty true, although anyone watching the other games may have noticed that other teams were not given the same treatment for tackling like that.

 

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No. What I'm suggesting is that just like a player adjusts his style of play when he's on a yellow, Bradley must have his team adjust their style of play because these ref's are card happy. Like the Brit announcer said " in this competition you shouldn't be tackling like that".

Quite the opposite. Going a man down against Brazil and Italy is suicidal.

 

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In the EPL it wouldn't be a foul. Problem is we were playing in the Confed Cup where it most certainly is a foul when an American does it.

So doing it was stupid.

Relax. Listen to it again.

 

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It was Bradley's only foul of the match. 87 minutes he and he hasn't committed a single foul but the ref decides this was worthy of red. It is not reasonable in any way.

Risking going down a man and losing is better than ensuring defeat by playing a timid style of football.

 

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Yea some of you guys really are unbelievable.

No, I am only asking that in the 87th minute, when we are up by 2 goals, with a ref that we know seems to like giving red cards, in a tournament where we have already been shown red cards for late tackles, that we don't come in late and cleat the other team.

I realize to some of you that is a lot to ask.

I took out your stupidest statement.

 

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Agree and a couple of you have been doing that.

True, but you can, at least try, to stop coming in late and cleating a player.