Spector

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Prime Time, Jun 18, 2009.

  1. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    IMO, Spector has been our second best player all tournament long, behind only Onyewu. While I advocate him getting more looks at RB - even LB if Hejduk or Cherundolo reclaim the RB spot - I have noticed a hole in his game. Set pieces.

    He was beaten constantly by the Italians, and although none of those chances proved to be costly, today's marking on Felipe Melo was.

    Again, I think Spector deserves to get more starts after this tournament, but his set piece marking needs to improve.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Think your analysis holds up with what I've seen of him at WHU and what others have reported on him. He's not that good in the air, and that hurts him on set pieces. It's why he is not a center back and likely won't ever be one.

    Good news is that set-piece marking is a skill that can be learned and we can expect him to improve. If this is the only hole in his game (it isn't, by the way), then he's miles ahead of a lot of others in our player pool.
     
  3. Arid_Torpor

    Arid_Torpor Member

    Jun 1, 2006
    Durham, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PT, Change "second best" to third best (behind Gooch and Landy), and I agree with everything you just said.
     
  4. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Yup, a good player but sub-standard in the air. Should not be used to mark anyone who is a threat on set pieces. Belongs at outside back not the middle.
     
  5. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    A valid argument can be made there and I think LD has proven, once again, he is the heart of our attack.
     
  6. moytoy12

    moytoy12 Member

    Jun 20, 2008
    Dead on Primetime. He gave up a few other attempts on goal from set pieces in the game today. However, he is a skilled RB and needs to be at RB or LB from here on out. Hopefully, he can tidy up his ability on set pieces or they can let him roam and have someone else marking his guy.

    Props to Gooch like you said. He has been very good. And while we're at it, I thought Demerit showed very well today.
     
  7. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Gooch hasn't silenced his critics in this tournament then he never will, the guy has played his butt of these last two games and as been said, has been our best player, hands down, this tournament.
    As for Spector, the kid has had a nice couple of games as well. His problem on the set piece was unfortunate but I think he did enough things well that you have to be excited for him and his future with the team.
    As for Donovan, he has worked his tail off but how many times do we have to watch him attempt to dribble straight thru his man without making an attempt to put on a move?
     
  8. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. However, he isn't any worse in the air than Heydude, Bornstein, Pearce, Dolo, Wynne, or Beasley are. He's probably an upgrade over all of them.

    I've liked what I've seen from him.

    Set piece acumen is something that comes with actual playing time...of which he's had little over the past few years.
     
  9. gmonn

    gmonn Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    Spector megged his defender, nice give and go with Donovan, and set up Benny. Fantastic offense. The high point of our game, and he created it.
     
  10. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good assessment, I think he is the future at RB.
     
  11. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a big Cherundolo fan and I wouldn't break a sweat if I saw Spector in for Cherundolo, that's how impressed I was with Spector's discipline and awareness.
     
  12. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    He's still better at them than either Cherundolo or Hejduk. And he's a better defender than both.

    Oh...and he plays a completely different sport than the one Marvell Wynne attempts to play and call soccer. That it took Wynne getting completely embarrassed in a match in Costa Rica for Bob to figure that one out leads me to question the usefullness of Bob Bradley's camps as a mechanism for evaluating players.
     
  13. miked9

    miked9 Member+

    May 4, 2000
    Philadelphia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    agreed. i love stevie and i'm also a proud owner of a frankie hejduk usmnt jersey, but spector has been very very impressive.
     
  14. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    He's significantly better in the air than any fullback option. He's significantly worse in the air than our top four CB options.

    He should only be marking an attacking threat on set pieces if absolutely necessary, i.e. all other defenders and attackers of ours with aerial qualities are occupied. I don't know if that was the case today, but it may have been.
     
  15. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    You called that - gotta give you that one.
     
  16. keller#1

    keller#1 Red Card

    Feb 16, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    should be our starting centerback when dolo is healthy
     
  17. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Credit to MO for pointing it out, but it's something that the West Ham fans who visit the YA forum have been telling us for years now.
     
  18. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wynne needs to reel in his game a bit, his tendancy to dribble where he's knocking the ball 5 yards ahead of himself each time, leading to him losing possession alot, is a big problem that he (Wynne) has. Hopefully he can fine tune those skills but I don't ever see him having Cherundolo-like ball skills.
     
  19. IKickAndIm50

    IKickAndIm50 Member

    Apr 13, 2009
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Spector lacks speed

    Repeatedly he did not catch up to passes in the final third, costing us big chances

    Although he had nice part in that one big play we had toward the end
     
  20. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not the speediest RB we've ever had, that's pretty clear but his "game intelligence" is very high and that's something that I'd take over great straight-line speed any day.
     
  21. juniorLA

    juniorLA Member

    Mar 4, 2008
    El Lay
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    spector is much better in the air than any of our other options at RB, in addition he's a better defender and better going forward and better crossing (well, equal with cherundolo going forward and crossing)
     
  22. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    fyp.
     
  23. supersoft

    supersoft Member

    May 3, 2002
    Baltimore
    I think Cherundolo is a clearly better RB going forward and on defense, though more prone to a yellow-cardable error. Spector still plays RB cautiously for the US and for West Ham, like someone who's still learning the position. I think his first step quickness is a bit slow for it but he has good speed once he gets going, and you can make a good argument he'll keep developing as a right back. I don't think it'll be in time for 2010 if it means displacing Cher.

    You have a point about his weakness in the air - notice also he plays the last man back on our set pieces, like Cher does. But I won't read too much into his play on the first goal we gave up since it was an inch-perfect ball to a player just barely offside (not called).

    Also don't read too much into one good nutmeg and drop pass on offense. He hasn't offered us anything else going forward in this tournament against good competition. How many crosses has he gotten into the box?

    I have been boggled by why Spector didn't get chances earlier for the US, especially as a LB (I think even Man U played him there a few games).
     
  24. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    In contrast to Spector, Maurice Edu is very good in the air. There is a logical inference to be drawn here, especially with the looming eligibility of Jermaine Jones. Will the Bob or whoever is coach draw it?
     
  25. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    The passes need to be better. No one, not Frankie, not Dolo, not Alves, catches up to one of those passes.
     

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