2009 AFC Presidents Cup

Discussion in 'AFC: Tournaments' started by druryfire, Oct 27, 2008.

  1. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    They might have taken it easier. But it's good that KBZ are able to score goals. I expected at least 4 goals and they achieved that. We also scored more against Crown than Dordoi did. Crown was able to score against Dordoi. Of course amount of goals doesn't matter. Just a fun analysis.

    But...KBZ is conceding goals very generously. If they step up their defence, we might be able to draw Dordoi, but Dordoi has superior goal difference +9 to +3. Unless Dordoi took it easy on Crown, it seems they are not very very far far away from KBZ standard, although better. With luck, KBZ could get a result. Hope they step up their game, especially defence. Defence seems weak.
     
  2. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    KBZ defence.

    KBZ's Khin Maung Lwin, at left back wing, is more like Roberto
    Carlos. I don't know about his defending abilities, but his attacking seems very good, and as a defender, he scores a mighty amount of goals.

    But against Dordoi, I don't want him to keep floating in attack, although it helps a lot in attack.

    Besides Moe Win, who's good in hard tackles but rather careless and day dreaming at times, I don't know about other KBZ defenders.

    Soe Myat Min could help out in defence if he's not injured. It would help out tremendously. Although he scores, ironically he's probably one of the best defenders in Myanmar. He started out his international football and made his name as a defender in Sea Games 2001 and Tiger Cup 2002. Only after 2004, he was placed as a forward due to his scoring instincts. But due to KBZ and also Myanmar national team's defensive woes, i think he should return helping out in defensive midfield.
     
  3. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    Also something positive is Kanbawza is playing with all Burmese players. And many of them are not in national team, yet.
     
  4. yazadarit

    yazadarit Member

    Aug 27, 2008
    4-2 is good enough for Kanbawza, they don't need much to score in this game since it won't count at the end. Yeah hopefully Dordoi is not in different lvl with Kanbawza..
     
  5. yazadarit

    yazadarit Member

    Aug 27, 2008
    Ref: http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index....-Oo-hits-treble-to-hold-off-Crown-charge.html


    Soe Min Oo hits treble to hold off Crown charge
    Written by Ken Gadaffi
    Friday, 12 June 2009

    Myanmar club Kanbawza beat Cambodian side Phnom Penh Crown 4-3 in the AFC President’s Cup Wednesday in Bishkek

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    Photo by: NICK SELLS
    Phnom Penh Crown’s Cameroonian striker Jean-Roger Lappe netted a brace against Myanmar champions Kanbawza.
    SOE Min Oo scored a sparkling hattrick as Myanmar league winners Kanbawza fought back to emerge 4-3 winners over Cambodia's Phnom Penh Crown in Group C of the 2009 AFC President Cup in the Kyrgyzstan capital of Bishkek Wednesday.

    With Crown making its debut in the competition, the Myanmar champions, who were eliminated in the group stage last year, took control quickly, with Soe Min Oo opening the scoring after seven minutes.

    The early goal served as a wake-up call to Crown, who took over possession and found an equaliser a quarter of an hour later thanks to Cameroonian midfielder Oscar Mpoko. Barely a minute had lapsed before Crown's star striker Jean-Roger Lappe Lappe, also from Cameroon, gave his side the lead from a converted penalty kick.

    Lappe Lappe then doubled his tally with a stunning strike in the 30th minute to put his side up by two. With four goals in the first third of the game, the fans in the capacity filled Spartak stadium were certainly having value for money.

    The goals didn't stop coming, with Kanbawza defender Khin Maung Lwin pulling one back eight minutes before the interval. Man of the match Soe Min Oo notched his second almost immediately afterwards to bring the sides level before unleashing a shot from just outside the penalty area just before halftime that had too much pace for Crown keeper Sos Brothim, to complete the Myanmar forward's hattrick and take his side into the break one ahead.

    With seven goals in the first period, the second half turned out to be a drab affair with both teams missing glaring chances to see Kanbawza run out 4-3 winners in what could be a nail in the coffin to Crown's chances of qualifying for the next round.

    Meanwhile, Group C's later kickoff in Bishkek between Kyrgyzstan champions Dordoi-Dynamo Naryn and Bhutan top side Yeedzin FC turned out to be a one-sided contest, with the home side smashing in seven for no reply.

    Dynamo frontman Mirlan Murzaev scored a fantastic four, two either side of the interval, while strike-partner David Tetteh of Ghana grabbed a brace, and substitute Artem Muladjanov also put his name on the scoresheet.

    Dordoi-Dynamo have dominated the competition in the past four years, winning twice and coming runners-up twice in the past four editions. According to the Federation's official Web site the-AFC.com, Dynamo coach Sergey Dvoryankov is hoping that his team's experience at the continental level will help them progress to the semifinals, which seems highly likely after their 7-0 demolition of Yeedzin.

    However, Russian-born Maksim Kretov, who is Dordoi's top scorer in the domestic league, missed the match and will miss the group stage since he joined the club after the AFC President's Cup registrations were over.

    Defending champions Tajikistan's Regar-TadAZ and Turkmenistan's Ashgabat had already qualified for the semifinals last month by winning Group A and B respectively. The best runners-up team from among the three groups will complete the final four line-up.
     
  6. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    So will KBZ players who were not registered for the tournament be able to play in semis if they qualify?
     
  7. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    Kanbawza is definitely weaker than Finance & Revenue when they were a team.
     
  8. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    That's a good question. If AFC use the same rules as they do for the AFC Champions League, then in theory they should be allowed.
     
  9. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    Finance & Revenue was strong, although the league wasn't. They should have took part in AFC President's Cup when they were at their peak, almost defeating Tampines Rovers of Singapore, defeated Thai club and such. If I'm not wrong, they had about 6 national team players. F&R also won an India Clubs' Cup tournament, defeating many of India's top clubs.

    I think present Myanmar professional clubs like KBZ need to train their young players and one rich club buy both the best local players and foreign players, to be much stronger than F&R back then, to be able to compete better in Asian football, and with the best of Asean.

    But best local players evenly divided among teams is good for the league, since developing the standard of the league first is more important than pride in international tournaments.
     
  10. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    Just learnt that KBZ is also without key striker Sa Htet Naing Win and one of the key midfielders Nay Win in this tournament. Along with Kyaw Thiha and Soe Myat Min, who are also missing.

    Soe Min Oo is a sub striker, but he's filling in very well. He's 21. Might be chosen for Sea Games if he continues in the league as well.

    Soe Min Oo scored 2 more goals against Yeedzin FC. 5 goals in the tournament so far for him.
     
  11. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    BISHKEK: Hosts Dordoi-Dynamo and Myanmar’s Kanbawza recorded second victories in Group C games of the 2009 AFC President’s Cup on Friday.

    The two-time winners sidelined Cambodia’s Phnom Penh Crown FC 3-1 while Kanbawza brushed aside Bhutan’s Yeedzin FC 4-2. The top two sides will meet in the final game on Sunday to decide the group winner.

    Sergey Dvoryankov’s team fell behind to a Jean Roger Lappe Lappe strike three minutes after the half hour mark but Ghanian David Tetteh headed home the equaliser in the first half injury time.

    Mirlan Murzaev, who netted four goals in side’s 7-0 thrashing of Yeedzin in the opener, gave his team the lead two minutes into the restart while captain Ruslan Sydykov made it 3-1 in the 79th minute.

    Murzaev’s dream run in the group phase, however, came to an abrupt end eight minutes from time when he was given his marching orders for punching Phnom Penh substitute Sun Sopanha.

    The striker also faced his coach’s ire for the act when Dvoryankov said: “I have never seen such a behaviour during my coaching career. There is no place for Murzaev in my team.”

    “No one will be able to replace him as his playing abilities are excellent but I am talking only about his playing abilities,” an angry Dvoryankov added.

    In another game, Pema Chopel gave Yeedzin the lead in the 10th minute and Jigme Tenzin doubled the advantage in the 31st minute. An own goal by Pema Rinchen reduced their lead seven minutes later and Soe Min Oo restored the parity in the 40th minute.

    Defender Win Min Htut and Soe Min Oo added two more goals for Kanbawza in the 78th and 81st minutes to earn full points for their side.


    http://www.the-afc.com/eng/articles/viewArticle.jsp_168722977.html


    The key to this match report is that Dordoi Dynamo star striker Mirlan Murzaev will miss the final game due to suspension.
     
  12. aegis

    aegis New Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    Yangon
    Go ahead KBZ! We wanna see you holding the throphy. :D
     
  13. yazadarit

    yazadarit Member

    Aug 27, 2008
    pheww...this is the second time KBZ come back to win the game from 2 goals down...
     
  14. AlgaKG

    AlgaKG New Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    Japan
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Kyrgyzstan
  15. AlgaKG

    AlgaKG New Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    Japan
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Kyrgyzstan
    Yedzin - Phnom Phen 1:3
    Dordoi - Kanbawza 2:1

    standings:

    1. Dordoi - 9
    2. Kanbawza - 6
    3. Phnom Phen - 3
    4. Yeidzin - 0
     
  16. AlgaKG

    AlgaKG New Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    Japan
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Kyrgyzstan
    qualified teams for final round:

    1) Dordoi-Dynamo (Kyrgyzstan)
    2) Ashgabat (Turkmenistan)
    3) Regar-Tadaz (Tadjikistan)
    4) Wapda (Pakistan) - best runner-up.
     
  17. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Well done to the qualifiers, can't help but feel that WAPDA will struggle against this bigger teams.
     
  18. yazadarit

    yazadarit Member

    Aug 27, 2008
    Is there any pre-requirment that the country name need to be end with *-stan to qualify for the final round ?? :D
     
  19. AlgaKG

    AlgaKG New Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    Japan
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Kyrgyzstan
    silly question. of course, no relation with country name for qualifying at all.
     
  20. yazadarit

    yazadarit Member

    Aug 27, 2008
    don't take it seriously, mate..I am just joking around :D
     
  21. YomaTaung

    YomaTaung Member

    Nov 16, 2008
    Princeton, USA
    AlgaKG,
    If you are from Kyrgyzstan and/or understand the language, could you kindly give us any insight (any translations) from the tournament. It appears that Kanbawza had an approved roster of only 14, with only 13 suiting up for the game against Dordoi.
    BTW, Avacados, Yazadarit, have you heard of Soe Min Oo? I sure have not - but looks like he is a find. I am happy for him and Myanmar. Assuming he is U-23, he could be an asset at the SEA games this Dec.
     
  22. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    BISHKEK: Hosts Dordoi-Dynamo downed Myanmar’s Kanbawza 2-1 to storm into the semi-finals of the 2009 AFC President’s Cup on Sunday.

    The result also helped Pakistan’s Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA) earn a last four berth as the best runners-up team among the three groups.

    The two teams joined Group A winners and defending champions Tajikistan’s Regar-TadAZ and Group B champions Turkmenistan’s Ashgabat.

    Kanbawza striker Soe Min Oo netted his sixth goal of the event giving a third-minute lead to his side but Ghanian David Tetteh neutralised 25 minutes later on a Vadim Harchenko pass.

    Ildar Amirov, who replaced suspended Mirlan Murzaev in the playing eleven, scored the winner for the Kyrgyzstan League champions on a Tetteh cross ten minutes later.

    Kanbawza could have found an equaliser eight minutes after the hour mark but Khin Maung Lwin’s long-distance freekick hit the woodwork.

    Dordoi coach Sergey Dvoryankov said: “We accomplished 99 per cent of our tasks. Our forwards were not at their best but both of them scored and that’s what we wanted.”

    In another Group C game, Cambodia’s Phnom Penh Crown FC brushed aside Bhutan’s Yeedzin FC 3-1, thanks to a brace from Jean Roger Lappe Lappe and a strike from Chan Rithy. Tschedupla scored Yeedzin’s only goal.

    [​IMG]http://www.the-afc.com/eng/articles/viewArticle.jsp_168723044.html

    Not bad for Kanbawza. Took the lead in 3rd minute. Being so under-strength. And this is not an excuse, it's a fact. Granted Dordoi has their main striker out on suspension. I have a feeling KBZ might be able to match WAPDA or beat them. All Burmese players too. No Ghanians or Cameroonians. And they could match their physically stronger opponents.

    From the report, the defender Khin Maung Lwin, who often scores goals, almost scored, hitting the woodwork. He's one hot player.

    Soe Min Oo scored 6 goals in 3 games. Yoma, I have no idea who he is. He's not a starter for Kanbawza. He's playing the lead role because Soe Myat Min is out injured, and Sa Htet Naing Win is not there. (Also Kyaw Thiha and Nay Win are absent).

    But he shines. He's 21. He might be the striker Myanmar needs. He's gonna be in Sea Games team if he keeps it up. If Myo Min Tun, Yazar Win Thein, Khin Maung Lwin, Kyi Lin, Tun Tun Win are able to play alongside Soe Min Oo and one more striker (to find), Myanmar's sea games team looks pretty good.
     
  23. AlgaKG

    AlgaKG New Member

    Apr 29, 2008
    Japan
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Kyrgyzstan
    YomaTaung
    The local Kyrgyz news are almost the same as AFC news, so you can follow news from www.the-afc.com even in detail.
    Besides, "avocados" already posted above.
     
  24. avocados

    avocados Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    Kanbawza did pretty well last edition. Thrashing 11-0 to a team, beating the group winner, narrowly lost the other game 3-2, for that unlucky loss they finished second but unlucky to go through. I think they deserved a semi-final place last edition. It's clear to show Kanbawza is one of the better teams of this tournament, they just need to get it right.

    However, the good news is Kanbawza is not the best team in Myanmar. Losing to Yadanarbon and just yesterday to Yangon United. That is good for the new myanmar professional league as it has "depth". One of the teams should be a force in int. tournaments in future.
     
  25. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    In 2008 you got beat by Ratnam of Sri Lanka to go out of the tournament. Ratnam were a team that generally struggle against the Central Asians. Maybe it wasn't such a surprise at the time to beat Kanbawza as nobody accept you guys in Myanmar would have known anything about Kanbawza.

    I personally think that the AFC have to re-think the way in which the Presidents Cup is run.

    For one, this year, Group B had 3 teams, one team, the Sri Lanka Army were just simply terrible, but runners up points counted against for the games against this team. If this had a 4 team group, then they would have come bottom and no points gained against them.

    So AFC need to create equal groups.

    Another thing i would like to see is that it could be expanded. Kanbawza have done will again this year, but it seems a shame to go out with one defeat. The Champions League gives you the chance of a slip up and then you can come back. Presidents Cup doesn't, one defeat and and your generally out. No chances to come back. Isn't this what the game should be about? To see how teams respond?

    I personally think have less groups (maybe 2), have one host nation and have groups of 5 or 6. Winners go into a final.

    Here, teams get more games against foriegn opposition, can play against different styles.

    The tournament could also maybe be played more centrally for teams, such as Dubai or Bangkok or somewhere that generally is a regional hub for air traffic. This would cut out journeys form Myanmar to Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan to Nepal like this current edition has done as surely it can't be easy or financially viable to send complete personnel there?
     

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