Here is an interesting question... Without any current additions to our squad, what is the best team that we could put out there that would comply with the 6+5 rule?
does foreign talent, that we buy for the academy, count toward the 6 once they graduate and are ready for first team/reserve action? an example being: Christopher Butchmann
Blatter is an idiot. One of the greatest things about professional football is that you have players from all over the world playing on the same team. I think that is brilliant that we have players from Spain, Holland, Israel, Finland, Brazil, Argentina, England etc playing on the same pitch. Its the job of a manager to pick the best team possible. Nationality should not come into whatsoever.
Only if they are eligible to play for the country the club is located in, but I assume that in England players can also be from Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland. So Butchmann wouldn't count. I think I would go with this... ----------------------Reina------------------------ Darby------Carragher-----Kelly------------Insua -------------Spearing------Alonso---------------- Kuyt-----------------Gerrard-------------Hammill ----------------------Torres------------------------ I don't agree with the 6+5 ruling. I think 6 is too many home country players. 5 is still close to too much. 4+7 would be the best. FYP. Here is what I think United and Chelsea XI's would be..... ----------------------Foster------------------------- Brown------Ferdinand-----Vidic-------Evra ------Carrick----Anderson-----Fletcher---- ---------Ronaldo--------Berbatov------Rooney----- --------------------------Cech------------------------------- Bosingwa---------Terry-------Mancienne-------------Cole --------------------------Essien----------------------------- ------------------Ballack--------Lampard------------------ Sinclair----------------------------------------------J. Cole --------------------------Drogba---------------------------- I can also try to do Arsenal's. Admittedly, a lot harder... -------------------------Almunia------------------------------ Hoyte----------Toure-------------Gallas---------------Clichy Walcott--------Ramsey--------Fabregas------Wilshere ------------------------Simpson----------Van Persie------------------
Okay good. I was kind of offended right away. I agree. The rule is stupid, but I thought it would provide some interesting discussion.
I thought the thread was stupid...but thats just me Just joking CCSC...but the fact that its too late to introduce such a rule means that it should never happen. How many Spanish players does Real Madrid have? What about the make ups of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, Tottenham, Everton...most clubs would have to forfeit their best players...its stupid and should not be introduced at all. This is the "world game" and it needs to stay like that.
The thing with all these caps (F1 is trying something similar with a spending cap) is that they are seemingly pulled out of the arse of some ageing despotic leader. Why 6+5, not 7+4, 5+6 or any other combination?? Blatter backed down because UEFA would have had to abstain or vote against since it's illegal. under current EU law. Interesting that Blatter is waiting for approval of the Treaty of Lisbon, a treaty which can only be approved by riding rough-shod over the people's will
I can see the 6+5 rule resulting in a lot of English defences allied to non english attacks, i.e. buy English (inherently more expensive) in the cheaper positions. Also, given the English tendency toward a lack of flair.... Might get some backhanded / unintended effects in European leagues
That is a good point. Another reason to prefer English defences I would think would be that defensive players tend to play more minutes/matches. Goalkeeping is an obvious choice, as they'll almost always start. Halfbacks and keepers. Does anyone know why national team football isn't illegal, if this 6+5 rule would be? According to EU laws, shouldn't a Spanish person be able to play for the English national team? I don't get it. 6+5 doesn't say anything about not being allowed to hire people of certain nationalities... it's just about who plays. Why isn't it illegal to prevent a player from playing simply because they got a red card in the match before? Isn't that discrimination? It seems that the argument in favor of 6+5 is that it doesn't actually restrict based on nationality or anything like that... it's simply restricting based on eligibility for certain national teams, which is totally different.
You've just given me a nasty thought, if it is based on eligibility. Say a young uncapped player is eligible for both country x and England (through ancestry). The incentive to declare yourself only available for England is going to be that much greater under 6+5, career wise. Could make international football even more mercenary than it has become.
Because iirc an exemption was made for NT football in the Bosman Ruling as NT football does not operate via legally binding contracts, but is a selection process which players can choose to accept or reject at will. I approve of this rule btw but I would prefer a salary cap and a squad limit of 25 players max per season which would apply across all competitions (good luck Liverpool; in special cases then the reserves and/or the youth team players would have to be used - player hoarding is one of the biggest problems in contemporary football).
teams that have started the champions league final with at least 6+5, some didn't had local players on the bench Barcelona 08/09 - Winners Manchester United 07/08 (no english players on bench) AC Milan 06/07 Porto 03/04 - Winners Monaco 03/04 (one frenchman on the bench) Juventus 02/03 AC Milan 02/03 (ended game with 5 italians on the pitch) - Winners Bayer Leverkusen 01/02 Real Madrid 01/02 - Winners Real Madrid 99/00 - Winners Valencia 99/00 (ended game with 5 spanish players) Bayern Munich 98/99 Juventus 97/98 Juventus 96/97 Borussia Dortmund 96/97 - Winners Juventus 95/96 - Winners Ajax 95/96 AC Milan 94/95 Ajax 94/95 - Winners AC Milan 93/94 - Winners Barcelona 93/94 I dont see what the big deal is, clearly its possible to have great teams with a 6+5 rule didnt it use to be only 3 on the pitch?
The big deal is how many ENGLISH teams are on the list. That's why this rule is such a bigger discussion point amongst Big English Clubs.
I think using teams from more than 3 years ago is useless in this discussion as the game and scouting departments have grown significantly over the last few years. I think Inter would be one club in the most trouble out of all the bigger CL clubs around Europe...they have 7 Italian's on their books, 2 of them are back-up GK's and 2 of them arent good enough and are too young to make a debut. Its not just the English teams that would struggle with this rule.
Yet another reason to vote against it. Assuming anyone's allowed a vote on it. Why they generally aren't. The EU gets more and more retarded the bigger it gets.
Arsenal would be fucked and Arsene would probably go back to Monacco if he wasn't allowed to field 10 frenchmen for Arsenal.