How many CLs will be won by a club outside of England/Spain/Italy in the next 15 years?

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by pc4th, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. Borruma

    Borruma Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Dublin
    Probably correct. But for the next 15 years? Come on now.

    Also footballers don't just want money - though that's most of it, they also want to win things. CL money isn't actually that great by big club standards; I mean apparently the money Inter get from the group stage of the CL is just enough to pay Ibra's wages :)eek: ). Prestige and Club power is very important and if footballers think they have a better chance of winning things with Shaktar than with Chelsea, and winning things which are judged to be valuable then Shaktar will be getting better players. And then comes the success and then more money...
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    That's a littyle synical even for me. I mean Porto were only one goal away from reaching the semis this past season. The semis are achievable for many teams because all they need is an easy draw and maybe one big upset (if that). But winning it all? Yeah, that's not going to happen for anyone outside the top 4 leagues more than once in our lifetime. :(
     
  3. Borruma

    Borruma Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Dublin
    Oh come on now, the Economic situation is liable to change at least over 'our' lifetimes. European Football will not (and can not) stay frozen in 2009 forever.
     
  4. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Please define in objective terms how one football club has more 'culture' than another?

    If that was the case, there'd be more players in the middle east. And yes players care about trendy bars, that's where they show off how rich and famous they are.
     
  5. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Feyenoord is the biggest club in the Netherlands, even today while they've been shite for years. Not even shite like Ajax, but properly shite, as in finding themselves mid table in th league table at best. They have a massive fanbase in good and bad times. Unless you're really well versed in Dutch football I don't think it's possible to understand the emotions involved in supporting Feyenoord (much as I hate them as I believe they're scum I might add). Consider that they're up to their neck in debt, were near the relegation zone for much of the season, yet players still want to go there and their stadium is always full even for crap games. Chelsea doesn't have anywhere near that status, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and please back it up with solid arguments if you do. Feyenoord are like Newcastle times four in terms of fan support but unlike Newcastle they have the added benefit of having stature in the game and the ability to attract quality players even when they're down. I'm pretty sure there would be players preferring Feyenoord over Twente even if the former got relegated. And thats not even going into historical matters mind.
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    But its mainly their bank account that they care about. Plus their agent will push for them to move to whatever club offers the most $$. Nightlife? Minor to non-issue, I'd say. How else to explain all the players moving from beautiful, vibrant cities in Spain to Liverpool? Money can be the only reasonable answer.
     
  7. Borruma

    Borruma Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Dublin
    Ehh.. Success? You won't get that in the Middle East.
     
  8. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Odd that Newcastle's average attendance is higher then.

    Newcastle attract quality players too... their problem is that they're so ineptly managed that they are crap anyway.
     
  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Nor with Liverpool.

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  10. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Um, Liverpool would have to get relegated to win that trophy :p

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  11. gethomas3

    gethomas3 Red Card

    Aug 3, 2007
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Depends.

    At the way things are being done now, it would be decades...
     
  12. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Of course nightlife is an issue, otherwise you wouldn't see so many players in the tabloids staggering out of clubs. What are you expecting them to do, make all that money and then sit inside watching TV?
     
  13. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It depends on the player and his motives. Guys that are more interested in football than anything else are a rarity.

    Zidane was not a big partier because he played football to play football as opposed to gain fame and money. He didn't cherish the limelight, and he did his best to keep his wife out of the public scope.

    Anyway...

    I would say Ajax might challenge at some point. Their talent pool is always ridiculous, they just can't get it together. Maybe if the 6+5 or 7+4 rule is put in effect, some of the wealth of the EPL and Real Madrid will be more spread out.
     
  14. bayernista

    bayernista New Member

    Jun 10, 2009
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every year Bayern has a realistic shot of winning the competition. I think next year there is real potential if Jose Bosingwa is indeed signed
     
  15. cristiano_and_torres

    May 15, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    no other team has any chance remotely close to winning champs league outside of top three leagues. i want to say bayern but its gonna be tough even for them.
     
  16. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
     
  17. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Good for you to believe in your club but I'm sorry to say you're not exactly being very realistic at all.
     
  18. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    I don't think Boswinga would go, and Ribery may well end up at United.
     
  19. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Meh, I'd rather have Srna.
     
  20. m7m_teddy

    m7m_teddy New Member

    May 9, 2006
    Timisoara
    Club:
    FC Rapid Bucuresti
    Sorry to say this, but is Bayern really only one player away from overturning a result like 4-0 at the Camp Nou? Especially when Barcelona looked like they could easily have scored another 4-5; in fact with those scoring opportunities a club like Manchester probably would have.

    I think Bayern is 10-15 players away from challenging the Cup. But with their openness to releasing their best player they're basically saying 'naah. 2-out-of-3 Bundesligas are enough for us'.
     
  21. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yes, because United's finishing is so superior as the statistics cleary show. :rolleyes:
     
  22. Cirdan

    Cirdan Member

    Sep 12, 2007
    Jena (Germany)
    The 4:0 at Camp Nou is slightly misleading, Bayern played without Lahm, Lucio and van Buyten. The defence were pretty much all second choice players, except for Demichelis, who played a really horrible season. They had second-string-rightback Lell defending on the left side against Messi... I'm not saying they could easily challenge Barca or ManU with just a hand full of changes, but I wouldn't read too much into that match against Barca.
     
  23. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'd rather they do look too much into personally. That way we can go into the game as big underdogs and we have the element of surprise. :cool:

    What a load of crap, you always talk about things you're completely clueless in?
     
  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, I'm just looking at the odds (by Bwin) for the 2009/10 Champions League. Bayern is the only club outside England/Spain/Italy in the top 12. Bayern are 9th and listed at 20/1 to win the CL next season.

    Then again Real Madrid are the current favorites so what do they know? :p
     
  25. m7m_teddy

    m7m_teddy New Member

    May 9, 2006
    Timisoara
    Club:
    FC Rapid Bucuresti
    I wouldn't say clueless, i'm just stating Barca misses a lot of opportunities and that -indeed- isn't a siggestive game. I actually think bayern is crappier than that.

    Toni -congrats to him for the golden boot in 2007 (?)- must be one of the least technical forwards i've ever seen. Bayern's whole attack isn't anywhere near 'class', except Ribery it's just luck and throwing balls in front. May work against Bundesliga teams, but it won't work in the CL.

    In 2001 Bayern had some players that showed they care about the club and it had spirit. Now you can't even find a decent captain and are using a van Bommel which i couldn't even find place in Barca's squad for. Obviously, Rijkaard either.

    I'm just saying English clubs aren't as forgiving as Barcelona. And Bayern isn't a german team right now. Sorry to be so blunt; it's nice to dream, but...

    I actually voted for "1" or "2" teams so it's possible in the next 15 years and Bayern [who i regard as the "only" german club to matter] seems the most likely to do it. But i'd bet 3 fingers that the year 2012 will see you wearing the same "4 cup" patch on the sleeve.

    Buy/raise players.
     

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