Post-match: New York Red Bulls - San Jose Earthquakes (Friday, 5/8) postgame thread [R]

OMG, that was awful! I was driving and listening to it on the radio. After the 4th NY goal I just had to turn the radio off. I felt queasy. The whole team is dreadful. I don't mean every single player although there are some stinkers. I mean, they don't play as a team, no chemistry, zilch. They play like some last minute pick up team that were told: you play here, you play there, etc.

And Houston next? They must be loving this. They are probably going to give us an a** kicking unless something happens pronto.

 

Hernandez was a terrific surprise last season but the worse we get, the more mythical his proportions are becoming. Hate to say it, but there's every possibility he'll return like his teammates have done.

 

Wow. You must be a crisis counselor with that 'glass half-full' attitude.

 

Well geez, people still overrate Huckerby something crazy.

Anything left in the glass?

 

they wanna sell soccer....wins sell tickets..not 4-1 losses...or losses in general.

shitty play dosent draw fans..IMO i see our attendance getting well below our current attendance by the time our new stadium is built(gonna be the ssame shit as buck shaw but with the grassy nowl on one side and some added shiney shit) im really starting to lose faith in the rest of the season, i dont think im going to anymore matches until they start getting better..imean im as muhch of a quakes fan as anyone else here but really, i beraly make money from my job to go throw it at watchin my team lose 8207094783- 0 every week..you guys want better action? watch the RSJ team play...really they play with more heart than our quakes...only diffrence between RSJ nd earthquakes? the funding to play in MLS....oh and more exciting soccer than the quakes are playing..................................

im so humiliated.....................like...we really always sucked...but damn dude...i want a 05 type team on the pitch...not....some guys who looked like they got scouted from kick about in the park(really half the guys who got rostered came from some po-dunk colleges)
IMO yallop makes a great assistant coach, but not the main man behind the wheel and having some hunky dunk as assistant coach dont make our lives alot like a stroll in the royal park either ...satan himself is scared of our play.................you guys talk about faith for yallop...well hey he can take a hike...im tired of him and his line of play...open the damn pitch up a bit let the guys be able to pass the damn ball around..not...pass to defense ad putt the ball up the field like your afraid its going to explode or something..................NEW GOALKEEPER!ahhh yallop time to gallop ....get another career...live life with the family...being a head coach aint your thing...you killed LA please dont kill us..(kinda ironic how LA sucked even MORE when he was head coach there)


lordy lordy lordy have have no glory...the sun dosent shine our way when we play...the clouds get huddled and our play gets puddled oh rain rain go away.. take away this shitty play.

wow i liked that..LMAO

 

Perfect, we are on the same page here. Benching some of the starters (Corrales, Elliott, Garcia, Weaver, RJ, ¿TheJoe?) both sends a message that playing like crap is not acceptable, and it should serve as a motivator both for the former starter and the newbies. It also says to the fans: "We know this sucks, we're trying something different." Similarly, failure to make drastic changes says that either we think this is OK, or we think that we are not far off from winning. I'm not sure how anyone can think that a 4-1 drubbing is close to winning. Sure we looked better than NYJ after they scored four goals. So what?!

Aren't you just cheerful?! Yeah, you could be right. We should expect Jason to be a little bit rusty when he first returns. The big question will be who goes to the bench?! If it's Kelly or Leitch I'm going to puke. And know that some on these boards think that Kelly is awful. He's not nearly as awful as Garcia. (OK, he might actually have been worse against NYJ, but on the whole, he's been much better than Garcia this season.)

But I fear that Frank will run out the same side more or less. We might get Hucks and Jason back in the lineup in two weeks, but Corrales, Garcia, and probably Elliott will remain in the starting lineup. We aren't going to see a change in the forwards (though we have seen all four of RJ, Q, Cam, and Pablo). We won't see Somma or McD getting significant minutes either. We might see Convey back at center mid too. We keep doing the same things and hoping for a different outcome. This is getting ridiculous.

go quakes

- mark

 

I too have registered to voice my concern and disbelief in the current form of the team I love. Never before have I seen Frankie make unfathomable substitutions in a game, winning, losing, or drawing, I put it all on Yallop. It may be unpopular, but looking at the roster, our team should accomplish more this year than last. The results show a complete lack of heart which comes from the leaders of the team; namely Frank Yallop. Yallop is the be all and end all of our problems. with the lack of BELIEF in our squad comes the lack of heart and performance. I am so thankful I didn't renew my season tix for the first time since '98.

 

I'm willing to bet, if any of us were in Franks position right now, I'm sure we'd be A) Doing about the same or B) Worse.

We can bitch and whine all we want, but there are some facts to why the team sucks right now.

A) We started the season depleted and without key players, who were apart of the success towards the end of last season.

B) Losing O'brien. We can whine all we want about it, but I seem to recall, many of you wishing he comes back now, whining and complaining a lot about him last season.

C) Some suspect signings. Elliott I think was the best off season signing. He may not appear to be it, but He's a defensive midfielder, who usually plays in a diamond formation, with a CM in front of him. Cam Weaver I honestly think can still be the man for us. He just needs some excellent service.

D) Lack of speed. Our team is hurting most because we do not have much speed. Teams are much faster than our team.

E) Just because Nick Garcia gets pwnd in 1v1 foot races, doesn't mean he's not doing other things on the field to help the team out. I for one am not a Nick Garcia supporter, but I do respect the fact he's a good man off the field & does plenty for the team, that no one wants to acknowledge.

F) We have no decent set line. No good forwards, midfielders or defender combination's.

G) My theory on why Seattle expansion team is good and why ours wasn't.

H) Honestly, the lack of signing quality talent... San Jose has never really been known to sign those 'big' name guys save for Landon Donovan. Dwayne De Rosario, wasn't on many peoples like list when he first came in, neither was Craig Waibel, Brian Mullan & Brian Ching. I distinctly remember, many a folk here saying they were nothing more than LA Rejects & Bench Players at best. *If you don't believe me, I will go back through and find the posts where people said that*. And look how they turned out. They became big parts to the teams continuation of success, and its still there today in Houston.

I) We just need that one player who can push the team and not let there heads drop. Ronnie O'brien was that man last year, but we need to find a new one this year. Maybe Darren Huckerby can be that guy, maybe not.

J) The Jamil Roberts & Davide Somma saga. People need to realize that they will NEVER be key parts to the team, and likely never get there chance. Especially Roberts who can't even beat out Mike Zaher & The Injruy and depleted team for a spot on the bench. I honestly doubt he'll be on the team next season. Somma, is a reserve at best.

K) Our best player this season has easily been Chris Letich. Tied for the league lead in assists with 4. Right now, I honestly think he could be an all-star. Our only person to represent us. Everyone else on the team has been bleh to this point. Maybe with Huckerby & Hernandez back in the lineup things will start to improve, but realistically they wont. However I do recall, Columbus sucking in 2005-2006-2007 until they became a champion in 2008. So things take time. In 2006, they used 5 different keepers and were injury riddled all year, and could hardly win and were getting anal probed each game. So things take time.

L) We need forwards. Were NOT going to win games without a poacher & withdrawn or target forward. We need someone like a Cerritos, Graziani, Moreno, Ching, Wynalda, Donovan, Etc. Getting Jay back will be nice and help the defensive blunders, still wont solve the "winning" problem.

 

Well, we need to get some decent service to the forwards we have before we can really say just how bad they are. I still think that at least 80% of what ails this team would be solved with two decent center midfielders. If we had two good (not great mind you, just good) central midfielders Kelly Gray could stay home on defense more. Our defense wouldn't get pulled out of shape so badly and so often. Enemy attacks would be stopped in the middle third of the field at least some of the time. Our forwards would get much better service than they are now. We'd get more chances on goal.

But instead, we keep playing Corrales and some hapless partner in those spots. We keep playing guys who have proven that they cannot do the job in those spots. We must try something different if we are to succeed. And if Somma sucks at Center Mid? What then? Then we cut or trade him and that frees up a roster spot and some cash. Same with McD. Same with Roberts and Zaher. If they are that bad, then trade or cut them. If they aren't that bad, then start them, or at least sub them in at the half. Making a change at forward in the 87th minute is just weak.

go quakes

- mark

 

Then why not run this team out on the damn field.

Andrew Webber
Chris Leitch, Jason Hernandez, Aaron Pitchkolan, Eric Denton
Arturo Alvarez, Simon Elliott, New Guy, Darren Huckerby
New Guy, New Guy​

Personally Simon Elliott has been much better than Corrales this year. Elliott looks bad because he has a blob in front of him aka Corrales. Alvarez needs to pass the damn ball more or shoot with his right foot. If not send him home to Houston and give me Brad Davis & John Michael Hayden.

The coach issue to fire them up, Yallop had Kinnear. Kinnear well had Doyle, but he was still Kinnear.

Right now, I'd take Alan Gordon over any of our forwards. At least Gordon gets goals & assists.

Shea Salinas the "future" has done NOTHING this year along with everyone else, anyone who expects him to replace O'brien is a fool.

Ryan Johnson sure he's decent, but he's no forward he's a damn defender playing up top.

 

1st Rojas goal ... the NY player whiffed on the header. What was JoeC supposed to do on that play? I would have done the same as JoeC in that situation and stayed in the middle in order to react to the header.

 

Isn't that Kelly Gray's side? This guy got burned 3-4 times in the 1st half....

 

gray sucks

 

...How lucky is he? I don't even remember him at Leigh HS or in College at Portland...Was he ever really any good?
The trouble is this guy for the last 8 years keeps getting a job..


2002–2005 Chicago Fire 88 (6)
2005 San Jose Earthquakes 22 (1)
2006–2007 Houston Dynamo 28 (0)
2007 Los Angeles Galaxy 06 (0)
2008 Colorado Rapids 02 (0)
2008– San Jose Earthquakes 19 (0)

 

I tried not to post immediately after the loss. Well, to be honest, I didn't even see it. And I am glad I didn't!

WHAT AN EMBARASSMENT!

I don't believe I have ever seen the Quakes get a drubbing this bad that they were not able to atleast climb back up. Sometimes, even win it.

Are we really that bad? What is going on internally? Is this karma for the way some players were treated by the FO?

Or, do we just suck?!

Something needs to happen (and quick!) before we all sink.

It's hard to be a Quakes fan nowadays.....

 

And by the way, the loss is a collective failure on the part of the coaching staff and players. We should stop pinpointing people specifically (because we're running out of them!).

This is a TEAM effort. Therefore, all of them should work this out!

 

2nd Rojas goal, ..., same thing on the right side ... Leitch is pitching in so much. IMO, Grey and Leitch should not be paired together on the same
Side. Also, I can't believe JoeC is not more vocal in making
Sure the defenders are in the correct positions. Lastly, I can't
Believe it is Alvarez's responsibility in getting back
To cover Rojas. Organization of the back four is horrible!

 

You do realize he is playing out of position, right? He is generally a holding midfielder, or at times an outside back. Apart from this year, he has very very rarely played in the center of defense.

 

Why is this a surprise? I would think it human nature that the worse your team gets, the more you hope and rely on the players that have yet to make an impact.

 

Exactly. Well said.

 

Great point!!
I was very surprised that Hernandez got
The award (best team defender) at the end
of last season and the national team call up.

 

Team defense needs to be over-hauled at this point ...

The 1st few games, we had some issues in central defense where the left and right fullbacks were asked to help and pinch in. I think it is safe to say, that pinching in from the sides is _not_ working for us.

IMO, right-side needs an over-haul (i.e., fixed) at this point (Gray, Leitch, Alvarez, JoeC).

Also, I don't think we can count on the out-side midfielders (e.g., Alvarez, Huckerby, Convey, Salinas) to properly cover the overlapping run (to the far post).

Basically, we need to go back to straight back 4 arrangement w/ the proper spacing and side of field (zone) responsibility.

Then, have mid-fielders play on top of the back 4 as the 1st line of defense.

 

I pretty much agree. IMO, the midfielders have a hard time playing together with the other mids. Asking them to coordinate with the defenders may be a bit much!

We've had no sustained midfield play all season. Improving the teams fortunes begins with asserting and maintaining our control in the midfield. That means a possession game based short passes on the ground. Maybe we start with that instead of trying change the entire team in one fell swoop.

 

What? We have had overlapping runs?

 

Maybe, ... I'm not using the term in a conventional way.
The 2nd Rojas goal, ... I'm referring to it as an overlapping
Run to the far post.