Look, I dont know what's going on in trainings, but he also barely played last tournament. If he was such a problematic person, why they didn't release him? Beside, after his America period, he played 6 years in Tolima and almost carried them by himself for one championship and basically to becomes a team that everyone appreciate. So we know that he is definitly a good player and Charria alone isn't the problem of Nacional. This is one of my favourite players and I always hope to see him in Nacional and was so glad that he signed but I never imagined that it will be like this. Again, if he was play and was suck it's something else. But after most of the previous tournament he barely was on the bench and for some reason Suarez decided to keep him (I thought this year he'll get his chances, he even scored in a friendly match), I don't see any reason to punish this guy, unless he talked badely to one of the management members. Other then that, I bet that he has all the reason to be frustrated, he is 30 year old, not some kid who just got promoted to the first team. I don't usually like to talk against my team, and I appreciate Marulanda for took us after our last idiot president, Ruben Restrepo, and brang us 2 championship and lot's of great moments, but this time he went too far, in my opinion.
Well, our interest in the Copa Mustang I 2009 is oficialliy over today. 5th lost in 5 games, -7 goal difference, we have nothing to sale in this tournament. If it was up to me, I would get rid from 50% of the current squad, at least. The problem is definitly not the coach, it the boared members and most of the players, who probably still don't understand in which club they are playing for. And despite all of the problems, they only two players who didn't play so far in this fracaso, are also the players who were got separated from the team (Munoz, Charria)- go figure!!
No Nacional needs to stop using "star players" and bring up their youth players what have been the best players Nacional championship squad was based on Zuniga and Ospina Nacional is "the big team" and thinks they need to keep buying and buying and they shouldnt. Velez and Mendoza dont want to be in NAcional !!!! Let them leave !! dont try to sell them for more than they are worth. I really like that Mosquera defender and he doesnt start because Nacional needs to have Moreno and Mendoza start because they are "NT guys" and they dont deserve to start Angulo, Ibardo are better than half the players on the team and they dont start. For strikers why have Devoz, Luis Perea and Renteria who are all great players but dont get any time in. Nacional and other big teams are all going the same way and its why little teams like Boyaca and HUila are doing well because they get all their promising stars and actually use them (look at Tapia)
haha Nacional is like Barrack Obama ... just throwing money at the economy and watching what tehy love go to waste and like I said in the preseason ... Nacional should have gone after Libis Arenas
But Crzd, Not all of this are true. I do agree that we have good youth department, beside the players that you mentioned we also have Yimmy Bermudez and of course Harold Martinez and now Edwin Cardona seems to be our new youth star (was invited for the sub-17 NT), but a team like Nacional also can't build themselves with so many youth players. Since Mendoza and Velez wanted to go abroad, I guess I would release them anyway because as you said, their motivation and morale aren't high. Orozco shouldn't come to the club. I would promote Bermudez, Mosquera and let Moreno play with him. Last year I didn't have complains to Blandon, but this tournament he just bad as the whole team. Libis was nice idea. Strikers-would release Munoz, keep Perea, Devoz, Renteria and Galvan + another striker, maybe foreign. Then, let Gio and Aldo play together, release Charria (if the coach doesn't use him, release him!!) and think twice before bringing Marino. (looks like a decent player, but with Angulo and Ibarbo when one of them must be on the field as sub-18, I don't know why we brought so many midfielders. Release Toro (stays with Ringo, Correa and Palomino). Maybe they will learn their lesson for next tournament (as I said, this one is finished), lucky for us that 2007 is still taken in consideration, otherwise we'll find ourselves in a situation which I never tought I will see: in danger to relegate.
its called teams dont respect processes in Colombia its like dont promote, dont give a 2nd chance to players and coachs..... its wow a failed NT coach is available why dont we fire who we have and get him.... The former Nacional coach did a good job in his 1st season... he should have been given another shot, same with Deportivo Calis.
Your problem is closer than what you think: Serna and Aristitronco. Word is that these two guys have taken control of the players and that there is a group that want Suarez out. My guess is that Moreno, Mendoza y Velez are at the middle of the issue too. These players tend to believe that they are worth more than what they are and that they deserve special treatment. On top of that if you have the so-called agents Aristi and Serna saying swett things to their ears, you have created the perfect storm: Big egos with littlle credentials, a coach that has no support from either players or management and a manager that thinks too much about profit and little about football.
I'm sorry but I find it very hard to believe. When the "ship is sincking" all of the people to blame will throw their problems on everyone but themselves. Nacional is a professional team with a professional players, with fans all of America. It's very difficult to believe that the players "did on perpase" to Suarez or Marulo and besides I really don't think Aristi and Serna has nothing to do with it. I think that the boared members are the problem, just like it was in 2006 when Ruben Restrepo was the chairman and we looked horrible under his charge. Then arrived Marulo and we were the best team in 2007. I think the boared did enough, Also we can release some of the players and give more minutes to many youth players because this tournament is over for us.
en realidad cada pais tiene su propia idiosincracia.. unos paises tienen menos corrupcion que otros.. cualquiera que crea que en Colombia u otros paises Suramericanos se manejan los negocios y las relaciones personales con transparencia, solamente lo hace porque no ha vivido alla.
pero no le tenes que restregar eso en la cara a nadie es un argumento 'weak' y sin validez pibe no habla de transparencia, solo duda de lo que dice tu amigo dapiPI, en el tema de legionarios como serna o aristi (que ya hicieron distancias con el plantel....btw)
No quisiera desvirtuar la discusion pero le encuentro la razon a fer y 2ndo, quisiera aclarar (sin necesidad de entrar en mayores detalles) que en no todos los paises latinoamericanos la corrupcion es algo institucionalizado y rampante.
I agree with efernandez, It has nothing to do with me live in Colombia, Chile or Brazil. What? do you think that there aren't stories like tha in Israel? All I'm saying, and JPA described it well, that whenever there's a club with a deep deep crisis like Nacional right now, the boared usually trying to turn the blame on someone else so the fans won't be angry on them. I don't know who is the one who spraded the rumor or not rumor about Chicho n' Aristi, but this is serious thing to say so he better have proofs.
Esta obsesionada conmigo. Por lo demas, jamas mencione a Chile ni mucho menos dije que era perfecto. Comprate una vida mas bien y deja de re-buscarme en todas las trenzas.
wonderful and improtant win over Millonarios. It wasn't the best football game but we could have won easily 4-0, lucky Millos that they have Cuadrado (I don't like the guy, but he proves that he is a talented GK). I hope this win will give us a lot of confidence because now the pressure is off. To qualify for the cuadrangulares will have to win at least 9 out of the next 12 games, which is almost impossible. Looks like that we'll be eliminated after all but at least I hope that this group of players will started to realise in which club they are playing for, so the next tournament won't look like this one. Also, we still wait for Marino to help us (I barely saw this guy plays) and I don't think that we'l need to bring more players for this tournament-it's too late anyway. I hope that we'll improve our general results because what keeps us in a good place are the results from the ,magnificent 2007. We also saw how important Gio Moreno is for us, even as a forward he was chosen for the Man Of the Match (wonderful assist to Beto), but his ban was only his fault, he needs to grow up fast and to stop with his nonsense. Estiven and Baiano were activate from both sides and Aldo Leao is starting to return to the player that he was in 2007. Next up we have Cucuta away, not an easy game but if we'll continue like this, we can achieve our second victory of the season. DALE NACIONAL!!!
No metrosexual. Todo a lo contrario, yo evito conversaciones con chilenas lloronas como tu por eso misma razon.
Otra pesadilla terminará para Nacional Las dificultades para conseguir canchas de entrenamiento terminarán en siete meses para el Atlético Nacional. Así lo confirmó el presidente del club, Víctor Hugo Marulanda, quien agregó que el 1° de abril empezarán a remover tierra en la futura sede, en Guarne, cerca del desaparecido hipódromo Los Comuneros. Cuando llueve, e incluso en verano, los integrantes del conjunto verdolaga sufren porque los sitios para practicar son cada vez más escasos. Ayer, por ejemplo, el plantel tuvo que desplazarse hasta Flor Caribe, en el Oriente antioqueño, poco antes de las 9:00 de la mañana. En el Área Metropolitana no encontró dónde trabajar. El Siena de Italia incumplió con los pagos de la transferencia de Camilo Zúñiga, pero ahora que se renegoció entró plata, además del préstamo de Postobón por valor de 2.500 millones de pesos. La primera fase constará de una cancha sintética con medidas reglamentarias y dos más de césped natural. Adicionalmente habrá un predio de fútbol siete para que Lorenzo Carrabs y Fabio Calle preparen a los arqueros. "Un camerino, zona húmeda, gimnasio, sala de reuniones, cocineta y otras comodidades se entregarán en la primera etapa", confirmó Marulanda. La segunda etapa estará lista en 2011 con otra cancha de grama natural reglamentaria, la zona social y el complejo que servirá para las concentraciones. "De esta forma se acabarán la incomodidad y la inseguridad de no tener dónde cumplir con los recursos mínimos para la preparación tanto de los profesionales como de los muchachos de las divisiones menores", advirtió el dirigentes que el lunes venidero viajará a Suiza para cumplir con otra cita de la comisión que integra en la Fifa y que preside Michel Platini http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoCo...lla_terminara_para_nacional.asp?CodSeccion=46
El árbitro se tiró más a favor del Cúcuta", aseguró Humberto Mendoza http://www.futbolred.com/mustang/no...r-del-cucuta-aseguro-humberto-mendoza/4879815 El defensor de Atlético Nacional afirmó que el resultado fue injusto entre su equipo y el Cúcuta Deportivo. Además, dijo que el "árbitro tuvo culpabilidad", en referencia al juez José Luis Niño. Atlético Nacional se fue con un mal sabor de boca de Cúcuta. Porque el equipo dirigido por Luis Fernando Suárez sólo pudo sumar un punto en un compromiso que bien pudo haber ganado y en el que lo dejó, al menos por tres días más, en el último lugar de la tabla de posiciones con cuatro unidades. El defensa Humberto Mendoza habló al final del partido y fue certero en calificar de caprichoso la igualdad 2-2 entre Nacional y Cúcuta. "Fue injusto el resultado porque Nacional puso las condiciones en el terreno de juego. Luego del segundo gol el árbitro se tiró más a favor de Cúcuta, pero ya tocará ir a Neiva a llevarnos tres puntos para Medellín", le dijo Mendoza a Caracol radio. Y es que Nacional tuvo opciones como para anotar un par de goles más como las que falló el delantero Sergio Galván Rey. Una en cada tiempo. "Nos faltó definición, pero son cosas del fútbol. El equipo en general jugó bien, nos pudimos llevar una victoria, pero nos llevamos el empate aunque creo que es injusto la igualdad", ratificó Mendoza quien tuvo un duelo personal con los delanteros Roberto Gamarra, Lionard Pajoy y Cesar Arias cuando estuvo en el campo. Cuando se le indagó sobre si el juez Niño había incidido en el juego, Mendoza aseguró: "Sí, el árbitro tiene culpabilidad porque después de que hicimos el segundo gol era pite y pite a favor de ellos y los rivales se tiraban (al suelo)". Nacional pasó por Cúcuta. Sumó un punto gracias a un par de golazos de Jairo Palomino, quien jugó muy bien y estuvo 'ligado' con el gol. Ratificó que está levantando su nivel y ahora deberá ir a Neiva para enfrentar al Atlético Huila y sumar tres puntos, para volver a ganar de visitante, para salir del último lugar, pero sobretodo para confirmar su repunte e ilusionarse con clasificarse a los cuadrangulares semifinales. I can understand Mendoza's frustration. I saw the match and we clearly deserve the 3 points, we played much better but we also missed a lot. As for the refs, I already sick n' tired to speak about them and I already said it before That they make mistakes one time against that team and one time against other team. Yesterday Senor Nino was "responsible" for the second equalize goal of Cucuta. I watch football for the past 24 years and I know that when there are FK, usually from long distance, the players sometimes start without waiting and it's ok. But when you receive a 16-meter FK the ref needs to check that the opponent players are orgenized (99% of the times everybody knows that the players creating a "wall" and communicate with the GK), beside I think that even the ref was surprised by the way the players of Cucuta started the play (I didn't even hear the whislte). Again, it wasn't the main factor which caused us to lose 2 points but it's definitly made me angry to lose points this way. I guess it's written on our tournament, this is not our year. Now we need to play for our honor and for the reclasificacion because we won't qualify, that's for sure.
The clasico yesterday showed why Nacional and DIM are in the buttom of the table. One of the poorest Paisa derbies that I ever saw...Barely had clearly chances for both sides and even then the players aimed their shots to the tribunes. we are now 4 games without defeat but the first 5 matches where we lost all of them will probably prevent us from qualify. In this tempo of a point every match, we will qualify in about 20 matches....I think the team needs to get ready for the next semester, improve the defense (I wouldn't keep Baiano and maybe it's time for Velez to go as well. Mendoza will probably leave and I would search for a better keeper then Blandon but try to keep him as a sub). In the midfield section we need to release Charria (I'm so sorry for him) and Marino (played a game and a halfand that's it. Even when he wasn't injuried he barely played, better to bring back Angulo and give him minutes, also for Edwin Cardona). The most important section is the attack. Galvan Rey needs to finish 2009 and then retire, in my opinion. Carlos Renteria showed that he has potential but he needs another quick striker next to him (Gio needs to receive ultimatum from the manager to improve his behaviour on the field and to play next to Aldo, maybe a bit forward, but not as a striker). I would also keep Suarez, I think he is a good coach, the players and only the players blew it this semester.
This is getting ridiculous. maybe we can still qualify?? we only need 8 wins out of 8 games.....piece of cake....... I woke up at 4:00 a.m. just to see my team keep playing like s***!!! Our 3rd lose at home, how can we qualify like that. Obviously we don't deserve, but this tournament is looked very absurd with 6!! points out of 30....UNBELIEVEABLE. Blandon and Marino received booo whistles from the fans and even normally I would criticize the fans, this time they absolutly right. Maybe the players prefer to play infront of empty stadium? First half we didn't do nothing (as always) and neither do Caldas, the difference is that they managed to score 2 goals in 5 minutes and to eliminate us. Nacional needs to transfer a major change. From the directors, throught the coaching staff and mostly in the squad. Now, after we already eliminated, maybe the players will play with no pressure to earn some points, because if we continue like this, we'll fight Huila and Pereira on the relegation in 2011.....