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just because they play in some quality teams doesn't make them overrated, ex we all know Bendtner sucks how is he overrated?

 

He's 25, plays for Real Madrid, and has clocked up over 50 caps for a top three football nation. He's more underrated than overrated - I for one wonder when the last time was that the Real madrid central midfielder didn't make it into the top 50 world footballer of the year, for example. People rating Lampard more than Sneijder to me is utterly laughable but I'll probably be shot again for bigging up Dutch footballers.

On that note Seedorf is incredibly overrated.

 

Well to be fair to Lampard [dont know why I would want to be fair], he's been very consistant. The same cannot be said about Sneijder.

That sounds like a few players. Wasnt Ivan Helguerra playing tons of games for Madrid at 25?

He doesnt play for Brazil, Argentina or italy, or Germany or France.

I dont think Sneijder is overrated or underrated. He hasnt done anything overly impressive, so he's kept on a tier of the not quites... which is fair...

 

Thank you for proving my point. Being outstanding for any of the nations you list is good enough to get you rated. Being outstanding for Holland however, which like it or not has been a top three football nation unlike three of those five for a while now, clearly is not.

 

How is Holland one of the top 3 footballing nations? And 'for a while now'? Tearing apart France and Italy before losing to Russia doesn't make them one and there's very little in their other recent performances that would give them that kind of status.

They're clearly a good side with some very talented players but top 3? I don't think so.

 

True but even top national teams have their weak points where an average player can rack-up lots of caps. Look at Andrea Pirlo.

Not saying Sneijder is overrated, I just don't think CAPS is a very meaningful statistic.

 

Pirlo is now an average player?

Inform Pirlo is one of the best players in the world, and (IMO) Pirlo has been in very good form for Italy throughout the majority of his international career.

 

You must be on a wind up again.

Just like Holland is overrated by You, Sneijder is. Not quite had a world class season in a world class league yet has he?

 

O'shea isn't overrated now. But when he was younger many were claiming he was going to be great. In fact, Tommy Smythe claimed he was gonna be the best Irish footballer of all-time.

 

Some of the stuff O'Shea was doing when he was younger was amazing. He seemingly had it all as a defensive player.

 

Teso claims Messi is overrated because of a thread here on bigsoccer. Yet what most people in that thread were saying is that they feel Messi is a better player than Ronaldo something some of you (ManUtd fans, not all) just can't accept. That doesn't make him overrated. As far as I know nobody has said Messi belongs in an all time best 11 like certain people have claimed of Ronaldo.

Either way I don't think either player belongs in this thread.

 

Unlike you Ronaldo fanboys, I am able to fairly rate these players and i have said elsewhere that messi is no longer underrated, if anything he is beginning to be overrated by some, however overall he is rated justly, while people claming ronaldo surpasses george best, figo, etc this early in his career is overrating him (and more people claim the latter than overrate messi). Maybe if your bias didn't blind you so much you would realize it.

Being a designated squad depth player does not excuse an overrated label. Oshea is used too often in the lineup and like said elsewhere has been overhyped much of his career. He gives up cheap fouls and has not been consistent enough to be a much used squad player.

Bendtner is another player that gets too much playing time for a top side. He has shown his talent in spurts but overall has not shown the class to start games for a top four side. And on top of that he is awful for team morale given his attitude and a baffling sense of entitlement.

I had to for that one.

 

he's overrated by juts Wenger apparently, ask anyone and they'll disagree, even Arsenal supporters admits Bendtner sucks and shouldn't be wearing an Arsenal shirt.

Of course we're speaking right now but potentially i see talent and a player that can develop a lot.

 

You are able to fairly rate these players while we are not. Riiight.

How many post by user who are clearly not socks or just people who have questionable opinions can you find on this board that say ronaldo surpasses george best, figo, etc this early in his career? Im sure you will say that you dont have time to... and thats no a problem... but to be honest the majority of the Man Utd board are smarter than that.

Bias to who and what? You like using those words even if they do not apply. Even you cannot admit there is nothing biased about my post or any post on the subject.

 

Again let me ask you. Which central midfielder for a big club and top three football nation is rated even less than Sneijder? If you're Spanish, Italian or indeed English, your status as a big club and big club country player is enough to get you rated despite rubbish form for your club. Do you see many people writing off Lampard when he's crap for either England or Chelsea? If you're Dutch or of another 'minority' nationality, you have to play like Pele for two seasons to finally get some acknowledgement. Everybody who's been on BigSoccer for a while knows it.

 

In England Lampard isn't particularly liked by many fans - particularly at international level. So in answer to your point, it's not us that are always banging on about him. In my experience of asking other English fans whether they'd rather have Gerard or Lampard in their club side, the majority say Gerard. If you ask them which they would prefer to have in the national side, it's less clear.

 

I still want you to elaborate on this statement.

If you are dutch and beating up on the rest of the dutch league ofcourse no one will rate you that highly. If he does the same things he did for Ajax, at Madrid [which I dont think he has consistantly] then he'd be rated higher.

As for Lampard, as much as I dont care for him. He's a good player and his play for Chelsea ever since Roman Abramovich joined Chelsea have been pretty top class for the most part.

 

Sneijder was excellent for Madrid initially, check their man of the match threads. He's been mediocre for them this year on the back of a pretty serious injury (and while in the middle of divorce proceedings but never mind that) and this makes him an inconsistent player in your view - do me a favour. Poor as the Dutch league may be, the Dutch NT is a top football nation with plenty of midfield alternatives. If you as an attacking Dutch midfielder have clocked up over 50 caps at the age of 25 you're pretty damn consistent.

 

I'm aware of that. Point I was trying to make is that this is a predominantly US board that clearly has its prejudices, likes and dislikes.

 

Initially yes he was excellent, but he did not maintain that form.

If you are playing well at one point, then your performances drop, that certainly is not consistancy. For whatever reasons. He's not the only top player going through shit in his life.

The dutch national team is a very good footballling nation,l but they havent done ******** all for a while. I do agree, they have a very good and deep midifeld pool with plenty of quality midfielders. Its a shame the rest of teh team does not add up. Outside of Ruud Van Nisterooy, you have no top class strikers. The Dutch defense is horrible. Probably the worst of the top nations [including the current Brazil].

As far as Sneijder. He's a good player. But he hasnt been playing at his top level over a long period of time. I definately understand the injury derailed him. I think he was in very good form before it...

I think Sneijder is an excellent player. Is he top 5 in the world in his position?

What does where any poster is from have anything to do with it?

 

He's been crap for a while now especially in big games. In fact he just lost his team the game against rivals Inter Milan last weekend. And was owned by Flamini in Milan's last Champions League match (not to mention embarrassed in that match against Brasil just over a week ago).

He's very overrated because of his free-kicks, and he does have a great FK, but there's a little more to the game than that.

 

LMAO, now I see who you are.

 

As to the initial question, Ze Roberto never seems to get his due IMO.

Secondly, regardless of his England form Lampard has very rarely been crap for Chelsea over the past 5 seasons. He's had some periods of indifferent form but on the whole has been incredibly consistent.

As for the bolded part, that's simply not true. People are praising Robben on this very thread based on this season's form! Van Nistelrooy is generally rated extremely high. Look at the way Stam and Davids were regarded in their prime. There is simply not a bias against Dutch players. Like benni pointed out Sneijder has yet to have a 'breakout' season in a top league unlike Van Nistelrooy, Robben, Van Persie or VDS so regardless of the number of caps he has for a Dutch side that while he's been a part of it hasn't really accomplished anything, he still has something to prove in the eyes of some fans. It has nothing to do with his nationality and everything to do with his CV. I think the fact that Madrid's title win with him in the side was over a faltering Barcelona means that that accomplishment isn't rated as highly as some other title wins.

And seriously, how is Holland a 'minority' nation when it comes to football? Any team that has won a European championship and that is fairly consistently one of the top teams in Europe pretty much forfeits that title. It also seems bizarre to me for you to simultaneously claim that Holland are a top 3 footballing nation (a claim you have yet to back up) and a 'minority' nation at the same time.