I agree with you, the ref didnt do his job so why should adriano pay for it. BUT, since they did it to Gila, they should do it to Adriano. For me, its not about fairness of punishment as much as it is about fairness of application.
This season is a write off now for me, no Champions league games to look forward to, no title challenge, nothing, on to next season.
It was SOOOOO intentional. Look at the way he holds out his arm and head straight DOWN. He knew what he was doing. He should be banned for shit like this.
When one leaps (or tries to leap) in order to head a ball, one never has the arms stuck to his body like a leaden soldier: the opened arms in this situation is a 'natural' posture and should not be seen as an attempt to use them. The ball clearly slipped from his forehead (he was even going to miss the goal) and accidentally hit his arm - as it could have hit his thigh. Definitely a player cannot try leaping without arms. Anyway it's interesting that you cite Maradona as the 1st and obvious example (although, in Maradona's case, his hand 'looked for' the ball and not the opposite as in Adriano's case). Because it looks that Maradona's 'Hand of God' traumatized so much the Europeans, that they now want crucify anyone who 'uses' it. Accidentally or not.. (So far there were 2 SAs & one European: another SA on the line of the 'villains').
But that was 'hand'... Seedorf had time enough to follow the ball after it hit the post, which was almost five meters away from him. In Adriano's case the ball slipped from his head and in question of millesimums of a second 'went' towards his arm that was less than half a meter distant from it ...
Watching Pato develop into a world class player is enough to keep me interested the rest of the season. Wrong. Seedorf didn't have time to avoid the ball with his hand since it was kicked up at him by the Reggina defender. If the ball hit Seedorf's straight from the post then it would have been an obvious hand ball. But it didn't. There was no way Seedorf had time to avoid the ball with his hand. Not this year. Milan will safely qualify for the CL. The 4th spot will be a battle between Fiorentina and Roma. My money is on Roma.
This has nothing to do with making another SA a Villain .... Where do you come with that ? Facts Remain: Maradona hand was intentional vs. England Messi Goal was intentional vs. Espanyol Gila Goal was intentional - 2 game ban Scholes Goal was intentional - Red Card Adriano - Open to debate .
Ok, The 3 first ones were 'obviously' hand. IMO Adriano's wasn't. Apart from that, where are the referees that don't see such flagrant violations?... The play is too quick for them to see them & they'd have to see them in slow motion?... I don't like the idea that besides the pitch, the players, the managers, the ball and the referees there should also be a camera as essential part of the game. Even the interpretation of a photo or a video can be highly subjective. Something else has to be tried. Another referee behind the goal (where generally the TV cameras stay) could be a good suggestion: that's the most critical point of the field. THEY'D BE DECISIVE IN ANNULATING MARADONA'S, MESSI'S, GILARDINO'S, ADRIANO'S 'GOALS'. That's where games are decided. But influencing the game through electronic means & after the game is over is simply abominable. That'll only let the door opened for political manipulation & interference on the outcome of a championship. Besides, imagine in the future a bunch of kids in Nigeria, in Turkey, in Paraguay, in a distant point of China, playing in a backyard. If they don't have a camera to decide if such or such play was a 'hand' or not after the game, they'll free frustrated because the game that they see on TV does demand one. That game has the 'camera', the 'slow motion', the 'VT' as decisive gadgets on the final outcome of a championship. And they'll want to play that game & won't be able to. They, who are the future of the sport, won't want to play with a football anymore - because they don't have a camera filming them. So no gadgets please: the game is so perfect with its imperfections. Let's try to perfect it? Yes. But with what we've had in hands since its invention in the XIXth century. Real football is not PlayStation 3. After 90' the game is over. Period. What happened, happened. F*ck the rest. As in life.
I am not sure why we having this conversation? My guess, if it was Kaka instead of Adriano, we would have seen a number of Milan supporters defending the decision. Saying that, there is no such thing as natural hand position, period. Thinking otherwise will change the rules, and this is not the change we were looking for, aren't we? This situation is clearly stated in the rules: Hand changed the trajectory of the ball, therefore its a foul. Simple. Especially so if scored in such an important match.
This isnt about South Americans vs Europeans. Its about Inter and Milan. Is there any doubt that both these teams love themselves some south americans? Seeing as half of the argentinian and brazilian national team play for either team? The handball was no less inadvertant than the one gila had. imo. Gila was sliding in, and I dont think he had any more control than adriano did.
As I Said Before: Maradona hand was intentional vs. England Messi Goal was intentional vs. Espanyol Gila Goal was intentional - 2 game ban - Vid showed he pushed it in Scholes Goal was intentional - Red Card Adriano - Open to debate
I dont think Gila's was any more intentional than Adriano's. In fact, I think they were both inadvertant.
Re: Gila Watch the vid again....he pushed it at the end [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcdyN7rKuMM"]YouTube - gila vs palermo[/ame]
Kind of hard to see if he intentionally pushed it, IMHO. The goal should have been disallowed just like Adriano's. Pretty simple really, a player can't score a goal with the hand or arm whether it was inadvertent or not. Maybe the refs didn't see Adriano's handball goal but surely they were told about it at the 1/2 break.
oh come on... he is sliding and falling in... how does he have more control of his arm than adriano when he is heading the ball
there both guilty. gila was using his hand and its he said so to channel 4 and am sure gila like adriano had his eyes on the ball
Wrong. I'll respond with my another thread's post that discussed the same thing: Anyway, the Italian Federation made justice. Adriano is NOT GUILTY.